Five questions– and lessons learned– for future authors


 

 

How do you feel about the idea of writing & publishing your book?  Nervous?  Feeling the Imposter Syndrome?

Over a decade ago, I wrote a few posts on the topic. Back then my first book on financial independence was selling well, and my daughter was working with me on my second. (Frankly, I was scrambling to keep up with her weekly word count.) Our readers like what we wrote (and recorded), and we’re both changing lives. Writing a book with her is one of the highlights of my life.

Also back then, the traditional publishing industry was still stumbling in zombified shock as hybrid publishers and indie publishers disrupted the gatekeepers. Blogging was still the wave of the future, and we were recording audiobooks with our podcast mics. The industry couldn’t even spell AI yet.

A few months ago, a founder of The 1% Better Conference asked:

“I’m curious about the book writing process if you don’t mind sharing. I know people have coaches, editors, agents, graphic designers, marketers, etc. There’s the traditional, self, and hybrid publishers. There’s also print, E-books, and audiobooks.
Did you get any help throughout the process?
Did you wish you would have had help with any part of the process?”

Wow, do I have thoughts.

First, I gratefully accepted a ton of help with writing & publishing. (No author writes alone, not even bestsellers.) In addition, my years of submarine service have given me a very thick skin for reviews (by shipmates & inspection teams) of all aspects of our jobs.

I don’t need my thick skin with editors or publishers, but my military experience helped me welcome their feedback. It not only makes my words better– it makes my writing more efficient in my preferred style.

Second, on the coaching side of helping writers, I greatly enjoy MK Williams’ books in her “Author Your Ambition” series. She also has a comprehensive YouTube channel that answers every question about writing & publishing. She helped Carol and I turn our book into reality, and it was the best author’s experience I’ve had so far. I’m giving her (and ChooseFI) the first look at my future manuscripts.

Finally, as far as the support team: when you choose an editor (perhaps freelance, perhaps part of a small publishing arm like ChooseFI or BiggerPockets) they’ll take care of hiring the different editors & graphic designers. They’ll also work on each of the formats– for example hiring an audio engineer for the audiobook.

Yet we authors are still generally left to handle our marketing, even with a traditional publisher.

Coincidentally, after answering those questions I got another query from Kate Horrell, who’s written a few books of her own:

“I’m doing a presentation at MilMoneyCon on writing and publishing a book. I’m gathering the experiences from a wide variety of authors so that I can present a wide variety of perspectives.
Would you be willing to answer a few written questions?”

I realized that I’ve learned lessons from three books. (I’m still writing the third one.) I looked back through my site and found that I’ve already written eight posts about blogs & books. (Those related articles are at the bottom of this post.) Now I’ll share my answers to Kate’s questions– here we go again!

 

TL; DR: BLUF

Here’s a summary of the rest of this post:
– Your publishing “Why?” is far more important than your “how.”

– Consistent writing requires internal motivation. Writing for external validation is unsustainable. Write because you have something to say– especially if you can’t shut up about it.

– An audience of military servicemembers (and their families) is about 1% of the America population. Veterans (and their families) are at least 10%.

– Writing your first book establishes your credibility.

– If you’re a financial advisor, your book is your gateway to your ideal clients finding you– and then buying your services.

– Writing books full-time is a career you have to save up for. Your living expenses come from a consistent & sustainable backlist of at least a dozen titles.

– I prefer writing the entire manuscript before approaching editors or publishers. (It avoids deadline stress.) Today I’d outline a book as an editorial calendar on a blog, and write the manuscript from a series of blog posts.

– Back in 2009, if I couldn’t find a traditional publisher for my first book then self-publishing would be Plan B.
Today, in my mind, hybrid publishing is my default for the paper, eBook, and audio editions. Self-publishing would be Plan B. The publishing feedback, education, and resources which used to be hoarded by traditional publishers are all now on the Internet. If a traditional publisher wants to pick up my backlist, then they know where to find me.

– Your publishing choices for your second book depend on the success of your first book. You can always self-publish, but consider hybrid publishing with a website or channel that already has a large group of your target audience.

– Self-publishing and hybrid publishing offer more real-time sales feedback (and more marketing options) than traditional publishing.

– Encourage your audience to try your book from the public library before they buy. This builds trust, and they’ll buy it to add their own notes– or they’ll buy it simply to say “Thank you!”

– The more audience questions that you answer on social media and in meetups, then the better you are at answering those questions in all other book formats and editions.

– Record your audiobook from your manuscript. Your audience wants to get to know you through your voice, and reading your manuscript into a mic helps you find many more typos.

– As you write and edit your manuscript, consider running polls on social media for your audience. They’ll help you decide on your format, the book cover, and other features. (Polling also builds your marketing campaign for your presales.) Share the excitement with your readers at every step of the way, and they’ll reward you with a strong launch.

The rest of this post’s headers answer Kate’s interview questions.

 

The Journey

Kate asked:  “Can you describe your publishing journey from idea to finished book? What steps did you take to find (or create) the right publishing path, and what were some surprises along the way?”

First, your publishing “Why?” is far more important than your “how.” “How” is also not an irrevocable decision: many authors switch among self-publishing, hybrid publishing, and traditional publishers.

Writing is collaborative (with your audience and your editors), but eventually you have to park your butt in a chair and hammer on a keyboard.

It requires internal motivation and satisfaction, not external validation– and there won’t be any applause for a very long time. Even if you’re in a writer’s group or a coffee shop, you have to write because you can’t stop. Or as my spouse jokes, because I can’t shut up.

Writing your first book establishes your credibility. Maybe you just wanted to try it to see whether you have what it takes.

If that’s you, then stop reading this and go write your book.

Maybe you’re a financial advisor who writes to attract clients, or at least to scale your wisdom by answering their most common questions on their time (instead of individually on your time). Your book is your gateway to their purchase of your products & services. There are niche publishers who will promote your book for years (for a fee) because you’ll earn far more money by using it as a lead magnet for your business.

If you want to buy groceries with your writing then you should create a platform (a blog, social media, a podcast, a YouTube channel) that attracts advertising revenue and affiliate commissions. If you’re exclusively writing books then you’ll need to publish several of them with evergreen content for long-term sales (not just current events). Then you’ll need to market those books on your platform anyway.

If you want to quit your day job and write full-time then you’ll have to publish a dozen books and build an audience who buys whatever you’re selling. Even today’s best-selling award-winning authors learned that book publishing is a career you have to save up for.

I’ll break down the rest of my answers into my three books. Two of them are in print and I’m working on a third.

 

1.) The Military Guide to Financial Independence and Retirement:

Image of the book cover of "The Military Guide To Financial Independence and Retirement" by Doug Nordman | MilitaryFinancialIndependence.com

The first one is the hardest?

In 2002 after I retired from active duty, I spent time on Internet forums learning even more about personal finance. As we discussed financial independence, it became clear that military families had all of the tools & benefits to accelerate their path to FI… yet very few managed to do it.

My spouse even said “Nords, you have a book in you.” 20 years later, she still says it.

In 2005 I crowdsourced the The Military Guide from the advice & stories of over 50 servicemembers, families, and vets on the Early-Retirement.org forum. I told the forum members that we’d donate all of the royalties to military-friendly charities. If the members contributed to the book somehow (drafting chapters, editing, beta readers) then they’d get a vote. We created an outline and I started writing. I published each chapter to our group’s subforum, and over the next few years we drafted the manuscript.

A few months later after we started the project, a local author hosted a one-day seminar (in person!) on self-publishing. One of the sessions was hosted by a retired acquisitions editor, who said that publishers still took his phone calls and agreed to listen to his advice. In front of the entire auditorium, he asked for volunteers to give him a one-sentence pitch.

He politely yet quickly responded to a dozen pitches with encouragement– and potential pitfalls. It was clear that he had a mental filter of a dozen categories, and he knew from experience how crowded (or hackneyed) they might be.

When it was my turn, I said:  “I’m writing about financial independence and early retirement for U.S. military families.”

He paused for a few seconds, then asked: “Does this financial independence thing actually work? How early?” When I assured him that it certainly did, he said “Well, you have to convince your audience– but you might have something there.”

To my shock, I’d just given him a new mental filter.

I’m quite accustomed to criticism. I was surprised by his encouragement, and even more surprised by the small crowd of other wannabe authors who gathered around me afterward. They didn’t care about my book but they wanted to know more about this FI stuff.

Those questions convinced me that I had an audience– and that kept me going for the entire manuscript.

I’m a big fan of writing a manuscript before you contact a publisher, even though traditional publishers usually only want an outline and a draft chapter. If a publisher accepts your query letter, then that puts you on deadline to finish the manuscript. The forum approach (with its own support and peer tutoring) gave me plenty of time for discovering my writing skills and tinkering with the results.

Today I’d outline a book as an editorial calendar on a blog, and write a manuscript from a series of blog posts.

By 2009 blogs were taking off, but I wasn’t ready to learn that skill. I was busy drafting a traditional manuscript. Today I’d self-publish too, but years ago that was still a steep learning curve. Instead I took the traditional publishing approach of writing query letters.

The biggest benefits of using a traditional publisher are their feedback, their education, and their resources. (In that order.) The most important part of publishers (and editors) is their skill at helping you identify and clarify your ideal reader. Find your niche and write in a conversational style as if they’re sitting next to you while you’re typing.

Today, if I was seeking a traditional publisher, I’d write a query letter with a marketing plan. I’d shotgun tailored versions to every publisher on my list without waiting for individual responses. Back then every acquisitions editor had a different format for their pitches, and I waited for their responses before sending out the next letter to a different publisher.

The good news with this approach is that writing serial letters made me much better at crafting the next marketing plan. (The bad news is that it took nine months, one letter at a time.) On my ninth letter, the owner of Impact Publications told me that he’d accepted my pitch because I already had a robust marketing plan.

I knew that if I couldn’t convince a traditional publisher, then self-publishing would be Plan B. Today, in my mind, self-publishing is Plan A for the paper, eBook, and audio editions. The publishing feedback, education, and resources that used to be hoarded by traditional publishers are all now on the Internet.

Back then Impact Publications could do three things for a military author that I couldn’t do on my own:
– Publish an abridged pocket-guide version of the book in 3”x5”x 64 pages (useful for deployments),
Distribute all editions of the book to the shelves of military exchanges all over the world through a national distributor (as well as public libraries), and
Add the trade paperback to the federal government’s GSA catalog for military commands to buy with their funds.

All of those worked at the time… until they peaked. First, the pocket guide has been popular at military base family support centers, veteran’s centers, and job fairs. Second, in 2013 the military exchanges stopped selling print book and magazines, which moved most of the book’s sales to Amazon. The trade paperback is still listed with GSA but those sales are much less than Amazon and other commercial outlets.

Today, audiobooks sell at least as well as paper or eBooks (and far better than pocket guides). DoD and public libraries also offer free eBooks via their apps. When troops deploy, they’re more likely to listen or read on their smartphones than on paper or tablets.

In 2010, as the manuscript was being edited by Impact, I started the blog and several social-media channels. (My teen daughter helped me set up Facebook.) I published chapter excerpts as blog posts and shared updates on Facebook, Linkedin, and Twitter. (Today I prefer Bluesky instead of Twitter.) I built an audience and eventually networked to interviews on personal-finance podcasts and military websites.

During the manuscript’s editing, the publisher immediately deleted all of my classic-rock epigraphs. (They felt it was a trademark issue.) Instead I published those chapter subtitles on my site as “excerpts my publisher doesn’t want you to read.”

My high-school daughter said that her AP English teacher was a big fan of writing bullet summaries at the end of each chapter. She was right, and it worked very well.

Back then I wasn’t ready to learn podcasting, but today it’s easier to create simple audio versions of every blog post for readers to download and listen on the go instead of reading on a screen. I don’t bother with my own podcast or YouTube channel– but I have the gear for it. Instead I guest on everyone else’s shows for the 10% of their audience who are military families.

I encourage my audience to borrow the book (print or eBook) from their local military base library or public library before buying. That builds trust.

A final lesson from my first book: the more audience questions that you answer on social media, then the better you are at answering those questions in all other book formats and editions.

 

2.) Raising Your Money-Savvy Family for Next Generation Financial Independence:

In 2016 I started getting questions from my audience about teaching financial literacy to their kids. I had some ideas and babbled some advice, but it was mostly stories about raising our daughter. In 2018 my spouse and I visited Carol and her spouse, and I asked her what she remembered from her small-kid days.

Image of the book cover of "Raising Your Money-Savvy Family for Next Generation Financial Independence" by Carol Pittner and Doug Nordman | MilitaryFinancialIndependence.com

The winning cover by a landslide reader vote.

Carol lit up with memories, most of them good. 30 minutes later my spouse said “Nords, you guys have another book in you.”

At the time Carol was attending the military’s transition seminar for leaving active duty, and she sat in the back of that room writing the first three chapters of the book. At the time our generations lived six time zones apart, so she suggested that we draft the book on Google Docs. And of course Carol also wrote most of the bulleted chapter summaries.

As a published author, this time the publishers came to us.

At FinCon 2018, I met up with a friend who’s a BiggerPockets exec:
BP: “What have you been up to, Nords?”
Me (smiling and sipping coffee): “It’s a funny story. My daughter and I are writing a book.”
BP: “Really? We’d like to publish it!”
Me (nearly blowing coffee out my nose): “Um, wait, what? Would you like to know what the book is about?”
BP: “Personal finance, right?”
Me: “Well, yeah, and this time–”
BP: “That’s why we’d like to publish your book. Let me know when you’re ready.”

At a CampFI, one of the co-founders of ChooseFI approached me.
ChooseFI: “Nords, we’ve heard you’re writing another book. We’d like to publish it!”
Me: “You guys are publishing books?”
ChooseFI: “Not yet, but if you’re writing it then we’ll publish it!”

At FinCon19 I also connected with MK Williams, who has self-published her books since 2015. (I love her first book, the unique financial-independence novel “Enemies Of Peace.”) We talked through the publishing options and decided that, although ChooseFI had a smaller audience than BP (at the time), ChooseFI was more family-oriented than BP. Even the BP exec admitted that was a good choice.

MK started ChooseFI’s book division. Carol and I kept writing while MK brought in freelance editors for development, line edits, and copy edits. She also hired an audio engineer for us to record the book in our voices. I started promoting our new book on my “The Military Guide” blog and my social media.

Hybrid-publishing a personal-finance book is far better than traditional publishing. ChooseFI supplied their existing family-friendly audience and used their tremendous reach to amplify our marketing. We supplemented our book by creating more content (written, audio, and video) for their site. The print-on-demand edition is supplied by IngramSpark. We sell primarily through Amazon (for all three print, eBook and audio editions), and ChooseFI tracks the sales. As authors, we still do the marketing– but we have lots more support than a traditional publisher would ever supply to two inexperienced writers.

The developmental editor disliked our approach of alternating our stories: me starting a chapter with one of our brilliant financial parenting tactics, followed by Carol sharing her initial reaction as a child, and then adding her lessons learned as a young adult starting her own family. The editor (correctly) pointed out that our style was very difficult to write (let alone edit). They also felt very strongly that we’d be more credible by co-writing with one authoritative voice instead of quoting other finance authors or telling personal stories.

Carol and I only have experience with personal finance and raising families– and no credentials. Instead of arguing with the editor, we took it to social media for a Facebook poll. Our audience of military families voted overwhelmingly for our alternate-voices approach, and our editor agreed to hold us to it. Carol and I had to rigorously stick to our parts of the stories and not put words in each other’s mouths. The line-editing was brutal but the manuscript became a much better read– and a far better listen.

Our audiobook edition suffered an unintended consequence of this approach. Carol and I recorded our segments of the book in our voices, and that works very well when people hear our advice. (It’s popular when parents are driving their kids around, with everyone in the car listening to the audiobook on the car’s speakers.) However we each ended up with about 30 separate audio tracks for our respective sections of the manuscript, and we’d recorded them on different PCs with different microphones. This hairball landed in MK’s e-mail, and it was a labor-intensive pain to stitch everything together– in the correct order– for the final recording.

Carol and I still made the right choice to write & record the way our audience wanted it. ChooseFI just had to be willing to pay more money for editing– but the sales are higher.

An unexpected benefit of recording the audio was… more copy editing. When you’re reading your words into a microphone (with bright enthusiasm and a conversational tone!) you’ll stumble over every typo. You’ll basically be actually literally embarrassed by the number of times you used the adverbs “basically”, “actually”, and “literally.”

Record your audio before you bring in the copy editor (after developmental editing and line editing). Even if you can’t use that recording for your audiobook, you’ll strip out your adverbs and other blathering to end up with a better manuscript. When your copy editing is finally(!) finished, you can record the final version of your audiobook.

MK’s self-publishing experience paid off. Her trademark search for our original title discovered that “money-smart family” was already taken. We changed our title to “money-savvy family.” MK liked our idea of bullet summaries at the ends of the chapters, and she also suggested bullet goals at the start of each chapter.

MK also immediately ditched our manuscript’s Disney epigraphs and analogies, because Disney is hyperaggressive about protecting their brand and their copyright. This time we came up with better epigraphs, and our readers appreciate the humor.

The worst part of our second book was editing and publishing during a global pandemic. I wouldn’t recommend trying that approach– there were no book fairs and everyone was burned out on webinars.

In 2026 we learned a new lesson: free eBook downloads. ChooseFI created a spreadsheet with 100 download codes (from their corporate site) and we handed them out for book exchanges and contests. This was essentially free and certainly led to more paperback sales.

 

3.) “Living Your Financial Independence.”

In 2019 at a FI Chautauqua, my spouse and I realized that our 20 years of shared FI experience was bigger than the rest of the audience– combined.

Image of a draft book cover for "Living Your Financial Independence" with red splash background and the words "Financial Independence." | MilitaryFinancialIndependence.com

A draft book cover?

She told me: “Nords, you have to write that book too.” (I’m sensing a trend here.)

During that week, Alan Donegan (of Rebel Finance) led a creativity exercise using my book idea as an example: “What advice do I need to give people to thrive for their next 50 years of FI?” Our small group brainstormed a stack of scribbled Post-It notes with ideas. Seven years later, I’m still using those notes.

I’ll move the book outline to my blog’s editorial calendar and write the chapters mostly in that order, although I can switch around the blog posts to whatever chapters I want.

Along the way I’ll include downloadable audio versions of each blog post, which will help me clean up my writing for the book chapters.

 

Kate asked: “What were the financial aspects of your publishing process? For example, how were costs handled, how were earnings or royalties structured, and what factors most affected your book’s profitability?”

For our first two books, the publisher fronted the costs of editing & publishing. We did not get advances but our royalties were paid right away instead of waiting on them to earn out the advance.

The good news about Impact Publication is that the eBook royalty rate is higher than the trade paperback royalty rate, and both are higher than the royalty rates of the largest publishers.

ChooseFI offered us an exceptionally generous royalty rate, perhaps because we were one of their first hybrid-published books. (Thank you, MK!) We also get monthly sales data and we can work with ChooseFI’s promotions, like package deals combining several books of their catalog.

I’m going to self-publish my third book and share the revenue with Amazon.

 

Kate asked: “Looking back, what do you see as the biggest advantages and drawbacks of publishing through your chosen method? How did those factors influence your satisfaction with the final outcome?”

Traditional publisher’s royalties suck at giving feedback. I receive two paper checks per year with sales data, and there’s no real-time dashboard. The publisher has to agree to bulk sales or discounts, and I have no idea which marketing campaigns work.

Impact Publication struggled with database errors on their sales reports, but I scrutinized those reports to help them fix their tracking.

 

Kate asked: “If you could give one piece of advice to a new author deciding between traditional, hybrid, or self-publishing, what would it be—and why?”

Consider a hybrid publisher with a built-in audience. Self-publishing is always an option that you can save for a last resort.

 

Kate asked: “Lastly, is there a resource (video, book, blog post, anything) that you would recommend that I include in a list for attendees? For example, I have found a lot of value in MK Williams You Tube videos. (Thanks to you!)”

I’m subscribed to the Creative Penn podcast. (I prefer the transcripts.)

I’ve also bought all of MK Williams’ “Author Your Ambition” books, although I’m not ready to tackle the fiction style yet.

I’ll never write a book with AI, but I’ll use it for all stages of editing and for marketing suggestions. As part of the publishing process, I’ll still run a manuscript by a human editor and use a human artist for a print cover.

 

Call To Action

There’s an apocryphal story about a writer’s workshop. The attendees cleared their calendars, paid their fees, and traveled hundreds of miles. They showed up in the conference room to take notes on the nuggets of an award-winning author’s wisdom.

The author smiled at the audience and asked “Why are you here instead of working on your book?”

Stop waiting for inspiration. Don’t even bother adding a comment on this post. (Just kidding.  Add all the comments you want.)

Sit your butt in a chair, put your hands on your keyboard, and start writing your outline.

Everything after your first draft is just editing and publishing.

 

 

There are no affiliate links or paid ads in this post.  Try your military base library or local public library before you pay money for these books– in any format.

 

Military Financial Independence on Amazon:

The Military Guide cover
  • Reach your own financial independence
  • Retire on your terms
  • Success stories and personal checklists
  • Royalties donated to military charities

Use this link to order from Amazon.com!

Raising Your Money-Savvy Family on Amazon:

The Money-Savvy Family cover
  • Reach your own financial independence
  • Teach your kids how to manage their money
  • Specific tactics from my adult daughter
  • Checklists and spreadsheets for your family

Use this link to order from Amazon.com!

 

Related articles:
Writing and Publishing – A Behind the Scenes Look at The Military Guide
“So, Nords, how did you start blogging?”
Update to “Just Write It”
Should You Self-Publish or Use a Traditional Publisher?
Selling A Personal Finance Book In The Military Exchanges
“The Military Guide” Sales Update (The GSA Schedule Rocks!)
Raising Your Money-Savvy Family For Next Generation Financial Independence
Lessons Learned (So Far) From a Money-Savvy Book Launch

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SBP Premiums With Deposits for CRSC, CRDP, and Military Pensions


 

Whether you’re medically or physically retired for disability before 20 years of service, have you checked your eligibility for Combat Related Special Compensation?

If you’re retired with at least 20 years of service (whatever military pension you’ve earned) are you receiving Concurrent Retirement and Disability Pay? *

Here’s an example of how complicated this military retirement documentation can get. Even when you’re already financially independent, it still affects your income taxes.

And yeah, I’ve crammed a few obscure acronyms into the title of this blog post. I’ve decrypted them in the text below, but please let me know if you have questions on their details.

A reader writes:

I’m seeking clarity to ensure my SBP premium is still paid since opting to elect CRSC pay over Air Force retirement pay. (This was more beneficial financially, and tax exempt.) This was the response from Ask DFAS yesterday, are you able to help gain clarity on this? Does this mean my VA pay is diminished by the amount listed, plus some from CRSC?
“Because you are in receipt of a VA entitlement that is less than your military retired pay, we have to deduct the VA waiver which is less than your retired pay gross. The remaining amount after offset is $272.09 and that is applied to part of your SBP premium which is $280.72. So, the remaining $8.63 is withheld from your combat related special compensation.”
Mainly, I’m just trying to find out where that $280.72 is being offset from – my VA pay? My retirement pay? Or otherwise? Thank you!

—————

If it’s any consolation, DFAS’s response confused me too.  It’s not my first time that’s happened, and it won’t be my last.

The Defense Finance Accounting Service is deducting your entitlements to pay the premium on your Survivor Benefit Plan, so you know that your premium is still being paid.

Screenshot of a typical U.S. military electronic Retiree Account Statement showing deposits for gross pay, VA disability compensation, and Survivor Benefits Plan premiums. In this case there are no SBP elections, so no premiums. | MilitaryFinancialIndependence.com

Screenshot of a typical eRAS.

The rest of the answers that I’m giving below should be documented in your DFAS Retiree Account Statement (on myPay) and in your bank’s monthly checking account statement. I’ll get into those statements after writing about the background.

 

Background:

A federal dual-compensation law from the 1950s restricts the simultaneous receipt of military pensions and VA disability compensation.

To comply with that law, vets who receive an active-duty or Reserve pension can choose to have their (taxable) military pension offset by (tax-exempt) VA disability compensation. It leaves you with the same total amount of monthly deposits, yet lower income taxes.

Congress has spent at least the last 40 years (that I’m aware of) chipping away at the dual-compensation law without actually eliminating it. Combat Related Special Compensation is one of the workarounds to “offset the offset” by restoring some of the pension that you gave up to receive VA disability compensation.

Here’s a frequent question on the DFAS website, and this is a verbatim quote:

“Q: What happens to my Retired Pay if I switch to CRSC?
A: If you elect to receive CRSC, your retired pay will be offset by the full amount of your VA disability pay. You may still receive some retired pay if your retired pay exceeds your VA disability pay.
[…]
CRSC payments are subject to deductions for monthly SBP premiums or garnishments.
Also, CRSC is non-taxable, so it is issued separately from your retired pay. You may begin to receive two separate payments from DFAS each month, one for retired pay (taxable) and one for CRSC (non-taxable).

[Sidebar: Retirement pay is generally taxable. The VA’s CRSC and disability compensation are tax-exempt. However both DFAS and the VA frequently use the word “pay” as an equivalent term for “compensation.”  This annoys tax accountants– and confuses many military families who are trying to figure out their benefits.]

 

Stacking up the statements:

Here’s how your CRSC was initially implemented by DFAS:
You’re receiving your pension (reduced by the offset for VA disability compensation), plus your CRSC (to compensate for the reduced pension), and plus your VA disability compensation. Your Retiree Account Statement on myPay could show:
+ Pension
– the offset VA disability compensation,
+ CRSC,
+ VA disability compensation.
This is listed in the Pay Item Description portion of the RAS with terms like “gross pay”, CRSC, and “VA waiver”. The SBP Coverage part of the RAS shows the SBP premium.

SBP premiums that are paid from your pension are also not taxed. For tax accounting purposes this is (even more) complicated by paying your SBP premiums as a deduction from your pension and compensation.  SBP premiums are the very first deduction from your pension– before taxes– in order to reduce the pension’s taxable amount.

This complicates the DFAS calculation:
+ [Pension – VA disability compensation] = $272.09,
– [SBP $272.09 premium] of your total $280.72 SBP premium,
+ CRSC, then
– [SBP remaining $8.63 premium], and finally
+ VA disability compensation.

Screenshot of a checking account showing two electronic deposits from the Defense Finance Accounting Service, with one for retirement pay and the other one from the VA (through DFAS) for disability compensation. | MilitaryFinancialIndependence.com

DFAS and VA deposits in a checking account.

The VA uses a different financial account than DoD for their deposits, although that deposit also comes through DFAS.

Your checking account statement should show at least two deposits each month: CRSC and VA disability compensation. If your pension was bigger than your SBP premium then you’d see three deposits.

You could track your (taxable) pension income on your Retiree Account Statement, and you’d also see that income on your annual Internal Revenue Service Form 1099-R pension distribution summary. However your pension is wiped out by your SBP premiums, so you have no net pension income. I doubt that DFAS would issue a 1099-R full of zeroes, and we already know that VA disability compensation & CRSC are never reported to the IRS.

Keep in mind that your military pension, your VA disability compensation, and your CRSC all have an annual Cost-Of-Living Adjustment. (It’s the same Consumer Price Index algorithm as the Social Security COLA.) Your SBP premium is a percentage of your pension, so it also rises each year. Your SBP annuity is paid up when you’ve reached age 70 and made at least 360 monthly payments– whichever takes longer.

* Note that the CRDP name was changed in February 2026. The July 2025 update to the Financial Management Regulation (DoD 7000.14-R) was changed to “Concurrent Military Retirement Pay and Department of Veterans Affairs (DVA) Disability Compensation”, followed by the actual change (in 2026) to Volume 7B Chapter 64. Apparently we don’t have an acronym for that yet: “CMRPD&DVADC’…?

 

Call To Action:

– If you’re a military retiree, then check your monthly Retiree Account Statement whenever you change something.

– It’s a good idea to check your RAS every month, but at a minimum you should check the December RAS to see how your pension & VA disability compensation will change next year.

– If you’re not retired yet, then make sure you’ve downloaded all of your Leave and Earnings Statements before you separate! Your myPay or MarineOnLine account might shut down your LES access after you leave the service.

 

 

 

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  • Success stories and personal checklists
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40 years of danger: military specialty pay + bonus contracts


While you’re pursuing your path to financial independence: are you ever tempted by the military’s specialty pay or bonus programs?

One of our family’s (many) military-retention discussions reminded me of a sea story behind our financial independence.

I was certainly tempted from the day I joined: all the way back in 1978 when we midshipmen could get extra liberty by donating blood. (Not that much extra liberty— we were still limited to one pint every eight weeks.) For the next two decades of my service I was constantly pelted by offers of submarine pay, sea pay, nuclear bonus pay, and even “free” college degrees.

Note: I am not a member of any service’s Command Retention Team.

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Is it enough yet?

Which brings me to my next point: have you ever wondered why the military is being extra nice to some of us? Shouldn’t we already be compensated well enough (with benefits and entitlements as well as pay) that our services wouldn’t have to dangle more retention carrots in front of us?

Today this bonus & retention topic is still perpetually relevant among military families, especially with one servicemember who I’ve known for years.

They’ve been on active duty over a decade, and they’re already financially independent. However (in their ideal world) they would personally prefer to earn a military pension without sacrificing their family’s quality of life.

Their feeling persists even after paying the price for their highly successful tour in an all-consuming career-enhancing 24/7 operations billet. They’ve transferred (with a great performance report and a medal) to a new command and they’ve leveled up to greater responsibility.  Fortunately they’re recovering from burnout, and their work/life balance is improving.

Yet similar to the slow-boiled frog, even this scorched servicemember was briefly tempted by the possibility of signing up for more active duty. I see my role in our discussions as mentoring and facilitating their Reserve transition on their terms. They’re considering that move to the Reserves in another 12-24 months, and we’ll keep talking about it.

 

The Sea Story:  40 years ago.

In 1986 the Cold War had reached a new peak. The Soviet Union was castigated as the Evil Empire while America worked on a new shield against ballistic missiles. (The Strategic Defense Initiative was cleverly marketed as “Star Wars” to tie in with the Return Of The Jedi movie.) Today’s historians have documented that Moscow’s 1980s leadership was seriously concerned about a preemptive nuclear strike, and they expected it to come from the U.S. Navy’s ballistic missile submarines.

America was building a 600-ship Navy, and the new OHIO-class submarines were launching from the shipyards. With our existing 41 SSBNs and another 50+ attack submarines, our new Navy required over 1500 nuclear-trained submarine officers. Now we had to figure out how to recruit— and retain— those steely-eyed killers of the deep.

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Studying hard!

Back then I was finishing my junior officer nuclear-engineering tour on my first submarine. I was very much ready for shore duty, and I could have left active duty at my five-year mark of June 1987.  Instead I’d requested orders to the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, CA to be stationed with my spouse! We’d just married (after four years of doing distance) and we were among the Navy’s newest dual-military couples. At NPS she’d earn her oceanography & meteorology graduate degrees and I’d earn mine in weapons engineering. (Of course our highest priority was enjoying a lot of each other with quality liberty time around and in Monterey Bay.)

During this tour we’d also pick up our new service obligations– mine would be four more years after NPS. After graduation I’d go straight back to submarine sea duty as a department head and follow up with yet another shore tour.

A few months before I obligated for those NPS orders, the Navy rolled out a new nuclear-power bonus program.  As nuclear-qualified officers finished their initial obligation, they could start a contract for an additional 3-5 years. Each year of that contract was worth $10K, paid at the start of the year. (That’s $30K in 2026 dollars, although in 2026 the current submarine bonus contract pays $40K-$45K/year). The 1980s bonus was a big improvement over a 1970s bonus program (which had been savaged by stagflation), and we lieutenants were all excited about the opportunities.

The fine print of the new program even included an “annual incentive” bonus for those who’d finished their initial obligation of five years of active duty. If we didn’t want to obligate up front for $10K/year over the life of the contract, then at each anniversary after our commissioning obligation we were still eligible for a smaller $7200 bonus (over $21K in 2026 dollars) just for sticking around to finish the year.

I guess BUPERS wanted to let us switch between bonus contracts and annual incentives to optimize our retention while we kept earning the big (or bigger) bucks.

 

The problem.

In early 1987, as I was about to apply for my bonus contract, BUPERS sent one of the assignment officers to Monterey to meet with us nuclear-trained students. It turned out that Naval Reactors had intended for the contract’s service obligation to be served concurrent with other service obligations (for example, graduate degrees from NPS)— but the BUPERS legal staff had recently concluded that the Congressional legislation implied consecutive obligations.

BUPERS had put out incorrect information and inadvertently let us sign contracts that didn’t comply with the federal law.

A few months earlier, one of my classmates (we’ll call him “Rick”) had signed up for what he thought were concurrent 4-year NPS and 5-year bonus obligations. He was the first to be told that he was now expected to stay on active duty for nine more years after NPS— effectively serving a grand total of 16 years of active duty. I don’t know what Rick said to his assignment officer, but BUPERS had already approved a bunch of contracts with nukes who were now arriving at NPS. Rick was persuasive enough for BUPERS to send their submarine representative out to Monterey to negotiate a solution.

When the assignment officer entered the auditorium, he was facing a hostile audience of at least two dozen O-3s and a few O-4s. All of us had already incurred a new service obligation by starting our NPS tours. Like Rick, a few had signed a nuclear bonus contract before reporting to NPS and were not happy about their new consecutive obligations. A few of us had planned to sign nuclear bonus contracts, but now we wanted to get the facts.

Have you ever wanted to get your assignment officer alone in a room with your peers (no senior leaders!), where you could just speak truth to power? Yeah. This time we had an entire platoon of people who wanted to speak a lot of truth.

Fortunately for the nuclear-power assignment officers, BUPERS had already figured out the right answers. Nobody on that staff (least of all the admiral) wanted to see this controversy discussed on the front pages of Navy Times. After the assignment officer spent 15 minutes describing “how we got here”, he was ready to make a deal.

His first offer was to let any of us who wanted to leave NPS (without incurring an obligation) as long as we quit this week.

Ha-ha! Yeah right. A few years ago he’d served his own tour at NPS, and he already knew none of us would take that deal. Besides, if we left NPS right now then we’d go right back to sea duty— especially if the bonus contract was our only reason to leave. Back-to-back sea tours didn’t hold much appeal, especially when all you had to do at NPS shore duty was publish your thesis.

He paused for questions. As everyone expected, nobody took him up on his first offer. We moved on.

His second offer was to let anyone out of their bonus contract that day— right now— even if they’d already signed one.

We all knew we’d have an NPS obligation anyway, and BUPERS was all right with canceling our contracts. He pointed out that instead of getting $10K up front in each year of a contract, we’d still get $7200 at the end of the year. The catch was that we’d have to serve our NPS obligation before we could sign any nuclear bonus contracts. The $7200/year consolation prize would last through NPS and for at least 3-4 years after graduation before we were free to sign up for a bigger bonus. That’s assuming we even wanted to continue on active duty in the first place, let alone commit for a bonus.

Oh, and if we’d already received a $10K tranche from the bonus contract, then we’d have to give back $2800. BUPERS knew we’d stick around long enough to earn the $7200 and they weren’t going to quibble over the timing. They’d even helpfully deduct the $2800 from our pay.

As you might imagine, there was some grumbling over this offer. People who’d already accepted orders to NPS and then also signed a bonus contract had felt seen and validated by the career boost. The Navy had finally acknowledged their value with a twofer of serving simultaneous obligations, and now that could be revoked by a legal technicality.

Federal convicts got concurrent prison sentences and credit for time served, right? Then why not us nukes?

As the grumbling spread through the audience, the assignment officer played his ace card: “But wait, there’s more!”

 

The BUPERS solution:

He shared that the BUPERS lawyers and the Congressional liaisons had worked out a proposal for corrective legislation. The existing nuclear-bonus law would be amended to specify “concurrent” instead of the default “consecutive”, and the Navy policy directives would be updated to match the new legal language.

This would make us nukes happy, it would make BUPERS’ lawyers happy, and our higher retention rate would make Congress happy. We still needed to win the Cold War! Legislators would take a quick voice vote during the current session, and BUPERS would handle the rest of the details.

It also made the assignment officer happy.  He was confident this correction would happen in a matter of days… but now there was another catch.

The only people at NPS who’d benefit from Congress changing the law to “concurrent” were the officers who’d already signed a bonus contract. After Congress clarified the law, the officers who were already under another obligation (like NPS) but had not signed the bonus contract would be locked out of it until they’d served their existing obligation.

Admittedly we were still eligible for the $7200 annual retention incentive while we served off our NPS obligation. Yet this $2800/year difference would sting if we passed up the bonus contract and then watched Congress pass the corrective legislation.

The assignment officer’s next words: “We need to know the headcount for tomorrow’s meeting with the admiral. If you want to sign a bonus contract for a concurrent obligation, you have to act today or get locked out!” He’d brought a stack of blank contracts for us to fill in— at that very moment— and he was leaving on the next flight back to BUPERS.

A hush fell over the group. We could all do the math, and the corrective-legislation tactic seemed straightforward.

The room exploded with happiness, and a crowd stampeded to the front to fill out their contracts.

 

“How Could This Possibly Go Bad?!?”

All the way from our back row, another officer raised his hand. We’ll call him “Steve.”

Steve: “Sir, what happens if we sign a contract and the corrective legislation isn’t approved this session? Will our obligations still stay consecutive?”
Assignment officer: “Well, sure, I guess that could happen. But this corrective legislation is a done deal and Congress is just waiting for us to bring them the paperwork for the voice vote.
Anyone have any other questions? No? Then sign here please.”

I turned in my seat and locked eyes with Steve. We acknowledged our mutual skepticism. A few more of us gathered in the back to pessimistically assess the likelihood of a failure of the corrective legislation. We’d already seen some “sure things” in the fleet which had mutated into failures, and we were wary of the assignment officer’s smooth delivery with his time pressure.

The assignment officer (probably) wasn’t evil, but he was a trained sales professional. To us, it was personal. To him, it was just business.

This time (unlike The Godfather movie’s platitudes), we had the choice of refusing an offer. While the eager crowd at the front finished filling out their contracts and signing them, our small group of skeptics quietly left the room.

And yes, I already felt the impending sting of giving up the extra $2800/year.

I shared the news with my spouse.  Seeing the horrified look on her face, I assured her that I’d decided to pass by this “opportunity.” We both wanted to be stationed together, but we also wanted to (someday) leave the Navy together. I didn’t need to add my new obligation drama to our new marriage.

You military servicemembers & veterans can already predict how this story ends:

  • Congress tabled the submarine force’s corrective legislation that month.
  • They deferred a vote on it for the rest of their session.
  • Subsequent Congresses ignored it and never approved it.

Over a decade later (coincidentally after all of the consecutive obligations had run their course), the Navy rolled out a new nuclear bonus contract that clearly specified “concurrent.”

By then Rick had finished his consecutive obligations and could sign a contract for a little more money. He did very well in the rest of his career, and he probably would have stayed on active duty even without a bonus.

I don’t know how Steve’s Navy career turned out, but for the rest of his time at NPS he got free adult beverages from us grateful fellow nukes who didn’t sign a contract. Ironically, after the military he became a lawyer. Maybe it was his skeptical ability to ask the unlikely questions… or maybe he just wanted to have fun with his GI Bill.

My harsh experience convinced me (and my spouse) that we were the only people who could truly manage our careers.

It also accelerated our journey to financial independence. We invested all of my submarine pay and every one of those $7200 annual retention bonuses. We weren’t interested in owning a big house (let alone big pickup trucks), but when we finished our NPS obligations we wanted to have a big transition fund… just in case.

Today (four decades later) when I talk about financial independence with military families, I start by announcing “I am not a member of the Command Retention Team.” After that reassuring disclaimer, I share how to reach FI while you’re still on active duty— even if you don’t earn a pension. And especially even if you don’t earn any specialty pay or bonuses.

I’m also writing about retention from my military-family perspective: as dual-military parents, we watched our daughter join the Navy (“Free scholarship!!”) and later marry another Navy officer. (“The new family business.”) We raised a money-savvy family and it all worked out well, but she certainly surprised us with her career choice.

As grandparents, my spouse and I are carefully watching for that fateful day (in 2037 or so) when our six-year-old granddaughter announces: “Mom, Dad, I’m joining the Space Force.”

 

Call To Action:

40 years later, the systems are just as dangerous.  Make sure your money motives are aligned with your values, not just with your wallet.

Please give yourself permission to stay on active duty as long as you’re feeling challenged & fulfilled. You’re part of something bigger than yourself. You’re supporting the mission and taking care of your people. If you’re internally motivated by your service then feel free to accept all of the additional specialty pay and bonuses— but take it one obligation at a time and be ready to leave active duty at every exit ramp.

If you’re in the Blended Retirement System, are you taking the Continuation Pay contract for an additional four years of service? Is the extra cash worth your life energy?  Or would you prefer to have more flexibility over your career choices between 12-16 years? And yes, that service obligation is also supposed to be concurrent.

While you’re on active duty, have you considered transferring your GI Bill eligibility to your spouse or kids for an additional service obligation? It’s supposed to be concurrent with other obligations— but make sure that your community is not an exception to that benefit.

Frankly, if you’re pursuing a bridge career after the military, then maybe it makes sense to keep the GI Bill for yourself and skip the service obligation. Your advanced degree or certifications could help you earn more than enough extra compensation in your bridge career to pay for your entire family’s educations.

When the fun stops during active duty, do not be tempted by the finances of a retention contract—let alone gutting it out to 20.

If your internal motivation is vaporizing, then the external motivation is unsustainable. Even worse, you’re risking your health and your family’s quality of life. While the specialty pay & bonus money is awfully attractive at the moment, in the longer term your human capital will get you to your financial independence on your terms.

And if your service or your community is being extra-special-nice to you in exchange for your contractual obligation, then ask yourself: “Why?”

When you’re financially responsible (and already on the path to financial independence) then you don’t have to be seduced by financial retention blandishments.

Teach your money-savvy family about the rewards (and risks) of financial incentives.  Help them make sure they’re not motivated solely by the money.

And be mindful of a teen’s selective hearing when you share your space sea stories with your impressionable youngsters.

 

 

 

 

There are no affiliate links or paid ads in this post.  Try your military base library or local public library before you pay money for these books– in any format.

 

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  • Reach your own financial independence
  • Retire on your terms
  • Success stories and personal checklists
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  • Teach your kids how to manage their money
  • Specific tactics from my adult daughter
  • Checklists and spreadsheets for your family

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The Lump-Sum Pension of the Blended Retirement System Is A Payday Loan.


 

When you’re saving and investing aggressively for financial independence, it’s possible to reach FI in less than 20 years— even when you don’t earn any sort of military pension or VA disability compensation.

However life comes at us fast, and many of us started our military careers with less financial literacy than others. If you’re just starting to walk the path to financial independence in your 30s or 40s, it’s easy to feel that you’re too far behind to catch up.

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The Simple Lane to FI.

Even worse, when you’re carrying consumer debt then you’re more susceptible to seeking a fast lane to FI. (Pro tip: there is no fast lane to FI.)

In 2018 when the Blended Retirement System started, servicemembers with less than 12 years of service could opt in. That choice was hotly debated at the time, but eight years later we’re starting to see the first cohort of BRS pensions.

BRS retirees are also eyeing the lump sum option. For example:

“I’m retiring at 20 years under BRS and weighing the lump-sum option. Does anyone know how much it would reduce my monthly retirement pay until age 67, and roughly how much the lump-sum offer would be? For those who’ve already gone through this decision, would you still take the lump sum at that reduction, or would you pass and keep the full monthly check? Interested in hearing others’ thoughts and experiences.”

and

“I am taking 25% lump sum of my retirement, the current discounted value is at 6.46%. I should receive around $76,000ish before taxes and will still get $1,442.30 a month for my military pension. Even with having them take out 22% tax for federal I will pocket around $59,000ish. I plan to use this to pay down debt, cover some living expenses and the rest I will put into a high yield savings account.”

From the title of this post, you may suspect that I could be biased. However I also appreciate the power of a hand up, not just a handout. You’d want to make an informed choice on this opportunity to shed crippling high-interest debt, or to start a business, or to simply optimize your FI math for greater wealth.

Let’s look at the pros and cons of a BRS lump sum.

 

Con #1: The Discount Rate

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What’s your cost?

Financially & mathematically, the BRS lump sum sucks. Lobbyists of the financial industry have persuaded Congress to grant DoD a license as the nation’s largest payday lender.

The DoD fact sheet for the BRS lump sum specifies an annual discount rate for retirees. As of this writing (May 2026), the discount rate is currently 6.46%. The next annual discount rate will be announced in June:

“According to the published formula, the Lump Sum Discount Rate (LSDR) for lump-sum elections occurring in calendar year 2025 is 6.46 percent, as calculated by the DoD Office of the Actuary. This rate is in effect for any retirement for which a member is eligible to begin receiving retired pay during the period from January 1, 2026, through December 31, 2026.
The next update to the LSDR will be published in June 2026 to be applied to lump-sum elections occurring in calendar year 2027.”

You can analyze this with your own spreadsheet from:

  • your High Three pay base (average of your highest 36 months of base pay),
  • your age at retirement, and
  • the discount rate.

You can also use CFP Daniel Kopp’s Google Sheet template to “File | Make a copy” or download a copy of the spreadsheet to your system, and then edit it with your numbers.

Here’s where the emotions of behavioral financial psychology begin to kick in.

We humans would always rather have money today than wait until tomorrow. The discount rate estimates how much we’re willing to pay *right now* to have that Tomorrow Money (at its future value).

A lot of analysis went into that discount rate. On the other side of this lump-sum offer, the Dept of Defense has platoons of actuaries who know far more math & logic than most of us have ever studied. They’re experienced in estimating risk and at predicting how many millions of dollars they’d have to pay out *now* for people who are eager to make a deal.

If you’re retiring from active duty in your late 30s or early 40s, which side of this contract do you think is more likely to benefit from you giving up 25-30 years of a portion of your pension payments? The DoD side or your side?

If you were applying for a 30-year mortgage, would you be happy with an interest rate of 6.46%?

 

Con #2: The Debt Trap

“But Nords, I can use the lump sum to pay down debt! Right?”

Ah, we’ve seen that movie before.

Some of us are old enough to remember the 2001-17 era of the Career Status Bonus of the REDUX pension system.

This was a $30K lump sum paid out at 15 years of service in return for a reduced pension (unless you stayed for 30 years) with a reduced Cost Of Living Adjustment. Part of the REDUX/CSB pension math is a reset at age 62, where the smaller pension (with a smaller COLA) is reset to a larger High Three pension (but still with a smaller COLA). You can find more details (and reader comments) at this REDUX/CSB post from the archives.

Most of the CSB retirees received their $30K, paid about 22% federal income tax on that bonus, and essentially gave up $100K over the next two decades.  One study estimated that lifetime pension income was reduced by $370K.

I’m sure some retirees needed the CSB help to clear their credit-card debt.  This assumed that they changed their behavior to avoid getting into more consumer debt ever again. Maybe some of them wanted to use the bonus for a down payment on their next home. I’m sure that others expected to make more money in the stock market (or cryptocurrency!) than they’d give up in pension.

I’m convinced that way too much of the bonus money went into awesome pickup trucks. Especially if someone thought they needed that pickup truck for their contractor bridge career.

Years later, I’m getting another round of questions from those REDUX/CSB retirees. They’re approaching their 60s, and they want to know how much their new pension will be. When we do that calculation, we can also figure out their discount rate.

After dozens of e-mails, not one of them has said “Thanks DoD, this was a great deal!”

If those CSB/REDUX pensioners were retiring today with what they know now, I suspect they’d all decline a lump sum.

 

Con #3: “This Time It’s Different.”

Yes, BRS is a different lump-sum offer than CSB/REDUX, but not in a good way. And not only is the math tilted against people who are tempted by the money– it appeals even more strongly to our emotions.

Not only are you borrowing from your pension at 6.46% until age 67, but you’re also doing the following:

  1. Potentially paying higher income taxes today (federal, state, locality) on a lump sum instead of in your income-tax bracket of your full BRS pension… even if you elect to take the lump sum over four years.
  2. Giving back some of the lump sum to the IRS/Treasury for months as estimated tax withholding. DFAS will withhold an estimated amount of the tax you’ll owe, and you’ll have to figure out your own refund when you file your next income-tax return.
  3. Giving up tax-exempt VA disability compensation (for a disability rating of less than 50%) until you would have received that amount of the lump sum pension in VA disability compensation. See the link below.

The zinger on VA disability compensation is in Section 7.a.(3)(h)(1) of the policy document.

“1. Per Section 633 of P.L. 114-92, which amended Section 5304 of Title 38, U.S.C., the VA will withhold disability payments to any retiree who elects to receive a portion of their retired pay as a lump sum until the amount withheld (i.e., not paid to the retiree on a monthly basis) equals the gross amount of the lump sum payment received by that retiree.”

Be aware that if you’re divorced any time before age 67, the full amount of your pension is still subject to division under the Uniformed Services Former Spouses Protection Act. In other words, the state divorce court can assume that you’re currently receiving your full pension even if you took a lump sum. Your ex-spouse’s lawyer will certainly exploit that clause of the BRS to the fullest extent of the law.

 

Pro #1: You Have A Choice.

From the emotions of behavioral financial psychology, you’d want to ask yourself these questions:

– If you’re borrowing (for a house, a car/truck, or a business) is this the best place to get your money? Is there nowhere else in the entire U.S. where you could get a better deal from a broker, a family member, your own savings, or even a small-business / disabled veterans grant?

– If you’re borrowing to pay off consumer debt (credit cards), have you already stopped the behavior that got you into this debt? Or will the lump sum just be a temporary patch on a bigger problem?

– If you’re paying off medical debt, have you consulted a medical-debt counselor for alternate payment plans? Most hospitals will settle for a much smaller sum of money.

Are you borrowing to invest in real estate? Stop now. Browse the BiggerPockets website (and podcasts) to learn better/cheaper ways to get started.

– Are you borrowing to invest? Is this the best interest rate you can get? I’m bullish on the American economy, yet I’m experienced enough to be pessimistic about investing with a margin loan from Interactive Brokers… let alone from DoD.

– Are you borrowing to invest in crypto, online betting, alternatives (metals), startups (angel investing), or a hot tip on the next AI service? Good luck, but I’m happy to discuss angel investing with you if you’re an accredited investor.

 

Pro #2: There are no more pros.

Yes, you might be sensing a theme here.

Whatever you might want to do with a BRS lump sum:  you can do even better by taking your normal monthly BRS pension deposits and investing a portion of that every month instead of “borrowing” at the discount rate.

You’ll also pay lower income taxes and you’ll keep your tax-exempt VA disability compensation.

You might keep your marriage too.

 

Call To Action

If you’re paying off consumer debt, please visit your military base’s family financial support center or emergency relief agency. Review your debt with them and plan your payoff. Most importantly, understand how to avoid incurring that type of debt again.

If you’re going to start a business, get on Linkedin and network with small-business owners. Talk with your local chapter of your Small Business Association. Contact a Veterans Business Outreach Center.  Attend business events like Patriot Bootcamp or Boots to Business.

Use the DoD BRS Calculator to estimate the size of your lump-sum options.

If you expect to have a VA disability rating, use the VA’s disability compensation tables to figure out how much you’re giving up to receive your lump sum.

Talk with your local credit union or community bank to figure out places where you can borrow money at lower interest rates.

Put your numbers into CFP Daniel Kopp’s spreadsheet.

… and please ask more questions or share your story in the comments!

 

 

There are no affiliate links or paid ads in this post.  Try your military base library or local public library before you pay money for these books– in any format.

 

Military Financial Independence on Amazon:

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  • Reach your own financial independence
  • Retire on your terms
  • Success stories and personal checklists
  • Royalties donated to military charities

Use this link to order from Amazon.com!

Raising Your Money-Savvy Family on Amazon:

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  • Reach your own financial independence
  • Teach your kids how to manage their money
  • Specific tactics from my adult daughter
  • Checklists and spreadsheets for your family

Use this link to order from Amazon.com!

 

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24 Years Of Military Retirement… And Surfing


Yes, this is a website about reaching financial independence with or without the U.S. military– but it’s also a blog about living your financial independence lifestyle.

After that major downer of my post on Alzheimer’s lessons learned, I thought I’d write about a lesson that I’ve taken to heart. (And mind!) Surfing is not just for the challenge and the fun– it’s an essential part of my life for preserving my health and my cognition.

Ironically, I didn’t surf during my 15 years of active duty in Hawaii & California. My spouse and I enjoyed hours of SCUBA diving and snorkeling, but I did not understand surfing’s culture or lifestyle.

There were signs– yet I just wasn’t in the right frame of mind to pay attention.

 

“YOU Might Just Be A… Ready To Surf”

1988 photo of Doug Nordman at a beach in Monterey CA, wearing full SCUBA gear (including a 5mm neoprene wetsuit) for a Rescue Diver course. | MilitaryFinancialIndependence.com

5mm of neoprene… still hypothermic.

In our first California duty station, we learned to dive Monterey Bay. We bought used gear from dozens of military families who’d learned to dive in Hawaii but didn’t want to experience Monterey’s cold water. Those same families were also selling dozens of surfboards from Hawaii— but now they couldn’t imagine having to wear neoprene in the bay’s Asilomar surf break.

A few years later when we were stationed in San Diego, I used to gaze down from an office window (on the peak of Point Loma) at the crowded lineup bobbing in the swells on the Pacific side. (Wearing 2-3mm of neoprene.) A few of those people were shipmates who surfed during their lunch breaks.

At one of my Hawaii commands, a shipmate took leave explicitly for a large and sustained swell working its way up (from the Tasman Sea’s winter storms) to Oahu’s summer south shore. He read the surf forecast every morning and he planned ahead. He was going to surf every day of that swell (unlike California, no neoprene needed in summer!), and he didn’t want minor distractions like paid employment or watchbills to mess with his priorities.

At another Oahu command, a shipmate had surfed for most of his life. At work, he frequently complained about the choice between (1) giving up an hour of sleep for dawn patrol before heading to work, or (2) sleeping in before having to commute past his favorite break, forced to see how awesome the surf would have been if he’d made the time for it.

Even when we were surrounded by surf culture– I just wasn’t ready. I remember hanging out on White Plains Beach during a family weekend, watching our daughter play in the shorebreak while we parents relaxed on the sand and talked about our life after Navy.  The beach was jam-packed solid with crowds, longboards, short boards, and boogie boards. People were even setting up their cameras with long zoom lenses on tripods. In retrospect, the surf that day was at least 6-8 feet.

I didn’t realize the same would happen even at small beaches with lava-rock outcrops.

 

Why Yes, Yes You Can Surf All Day.

My surfing awareness finally dawned in late 2001 when my military retirement request was approved. I started working through my retirement checklist, and the word spread that our family planned to stay in Hawaii. Most of my well-meaning military network felt that my retirement plan was a mistake in a terrible Oahu job market. (“Do you want to work at Pearl Harbor shipyard or Hawaiian Electric Company??”)  The most vocal shipmates were also the furthest from their own financial independence.

In their experience (not much), I should do a nation-wide career search and then move wherever the bridge career was.  Maybe with a real job (I already had the haircut) I could earn enough real money to retire.

Besides, what was I going to do with my retired life on a small island? Surf all day?

I belatedly realized that these people hadn’t figured out their financial independence yet. (Let alone decided to reach it during military service.) Yet they made a good point about surfing all day– and now I had the time to explore that activity after FI!

On the first day of my retirement, we took a family lesson at the Fenceline break of White Plains Beachand 24 years later I still line up at that spot.

These days, when we’re not traveling the world then I paddle out 2-3 times per week. (If we’re staycationing at a beach cabin then I’ll paddle out every day for dawn patrol and sunset surf. Usually both.) Even if there’s not at least 1-3 feet for a longboard on the North Shore (winter) or the south shore (summer), I’ll still paddle out on my stand-up paddleboard.

I’ll paddle something out on the ocean for the rest of my life. About the only thing keeping me out of the water is sustained winds of over 20 knots. Maybe for windy days I should learn to windsurf, kite surf, or foil surf.

People frequently ask me about learning to surf– especially in Hawaii. Just over 20 years ago I started showing friends how to paddle into waves, and I might have mentioned it on a few podcasts over the decades. *

Of course Waikiki is the most popular place on Oahu for surfing lessons. If you’re staying there then take a look at the beach concession behind the Outrigger Reef (by Fort Derussy Beach Park) or at Hilton Hawaiian Village.  Military families can talk with the activities desks at the Hale Koa Hotel or set up a surf lesson from the lifeguards at White Plains Beach on Kalaeloa.

I’ve also watched the North Shore’s surf instructors (for decades!) up at Pua’ena Point Beach Park.

During winters, Pua’ena has three distinct breaks with sizes from “never surfed before” (on the inside) all the way up to the impactful “at least double overhead” outside break. (Northwest swells are particularly good at Pua’ena.) During summers there’s usually still a small break close to the beach, and the trucks & vans of North Shore Surf Girls and Uncle Bryan are there every day.

Image of business card of Hawaii Waves Surf School with "Feel The Wave" tagline and "Ask For Ash!" instructor phone number 808-256-7226. | MilitaryFinancialIndependence.com

New happy surfers… every day.

As I paddle out there, I also enjoy watching Ash teaching new surfers. Last weekend I finally got his contact info (see the photos): HISurfSchool.com and 808-256-7226. He’s one of the best instructors I’ve seen (and I’ve seen a lot of them) and he’s also fun to watch. When I pass his new surfers on the inner break, you can practically feel the stoke radiating off of them… or maybe they’re just enjoying my usual goofy grin.

My high point of a January weekend swell was watching Ash coach an older guy who clearly knows how to paddle but who might have been out of the waves for a few years. I had a great session with friends & family, and even more: I enjoyed watching Ash work with him.Image of business card of Hawaii Waves Surf School with "Feel The Wave" tagline and "Ask For Ash!" instructor phone number 808-256-7226. Group or private lessons at all skill levels. | MilitaryFinancialIndependence.com

* (I’m happy to paddle out with you if you’re already a surfer!  My favorite summer break, White Plains Beach on Kalaeloa, is Navy property.  Their lifeguards run the surf instruction program.)

 

A Different Call To Action

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What possibilities are around you now, worth exploring today even if you’re still pursuing FI?

 

 

 

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