24 Years Of Military Retirement… And Surfing


Yes, this is a website about reaching financial independence with or without the U.S. military– but it’s also a blog about living your financial independence lifestyle.

After that major downer of my post on Alzheimer’s lessons learned, I thought I’d write about a lesson that I’ve taken to heart. (And mind!) Surfing is not just for the challenge and the fun– it’s an essential part of my life for preserving my health and my cognition.

Ironically, I didn’t surf during my 15 years of active duty in Hawaii & California. My spouse and I enjoyed hours of SCUBA diving and snorkeling, but I did not understand surfing’s culture or lifestyle.

There were signs– yet I just wasn’t in the right frame of mind to pay attention.

 

“YOU Might Just Be A… Ready To Surf”

1988 photo of Doug Nordman at a beach in Monterey CA, wearing full SCUBA gear (including a 5mm neoprene wetsuit) for a Rescue Diver course. | MilitaryFinancialIndependence.com

5mm of neoprene… still hypothermic.

In our first California duty station, we learned to dive Monterey Bay. We bought used gear from dozens of military families who’d learned to dive in Hawaii but didn’t want to experience Monterey’s cold water. Those same families were also selling dozens of surfboards from Hawaii— but now they couldn’t imagine having to wear neoprene in the bay’s Asilomar surf break.

A few years later when we were stationed in San Diego, I used to gaze down from an office window (on the peak of Point Loma) at the crowded lineup bobbing in the swells on the Pacific side. (Wearing 2-3mm of neoprene.) A few of those people were shipmates who surfed during their lunch breaks.

At one of my Hawaii commands, a shipmate took leave explicitly for a large and sustained swell working its way up (from the Tasman Sea’s winter storms) to Oahu’s summer south shore. He read the surf forecast every morning and he planned ahead. He was going to surf every day of that swell (unlike California, no neoprene needed in summer!), and he didn’t want minor distractions like paid employment or watchbills to mess with his priorities.

At another Oahu command, a shipmate had surfed for most of his life. At work, he frequently complained about the choice between (1) giving up an hour of sleep for dawn patrol before heading to work, or (2) sleeping in before having to commute past his favorite break, forced to see how awesome the surf would have been if he’d made the time for it.

Even when we were surrounded by surf culture– I just wasn’t ready. I remember hanging out on White Plains Beach during a family weekend, watching our daughter play in the shorebreak while we parents relaxed on the sand and talked about our life after Navy.  The beach was jam-packed solid with crowds, longboards, short boards, and boogie boards. People were even setting up their cameras with long zoom lenses on tripods. In retrospect, the surf that day was at least 6-8 feet.

I didn’t realize the same would happen even at small beaches with lava-rock outcrops.

 

Why Yes, Yes You Can Surf All Day.

My surfing awareness finally dawned in late 2001 when my military retirement request was approved. I started working through my retirement checklist, and the word spread that our family planned to stay in Hawaii. Most of my well-meaning military network felt that my retirement plan was a mistake in a terrible Oahu job market. (“Do you want to work at Pearl Harbor shipyard or Hawaiian Electric Company??”)  The most vocal shipmates were also the furthest from their own financial independence.

In their experience (not much), I should do a nation-wide career search and then move wherever the bridge career was.  Maybe with a real job (I already had the haircut) I could earn enough real money to retire.

Besides, what was I going to do with my retired life on a small island? Surf all day?

I belatedly realized that these people hadn’t figured out their financial independence yet. (Let alone decided to reach it during military service.) Yet they made a good point about surfing all day– and now I had the time to explore that activity after FI!

On the first day of my retirement, we took a family lesson at the Fenceline break of White Plains Beachand 24 years later I still line up at that spot.

These days, when we’re not traveling the world then I paddle out 2-3 times per week. (If we’re staycationing at a beach cabin then I’ll paddle out every day for dawn patrol and sunset surf. Usually both.) Even if there’s not at least 1-3 feet for a longboard on the North Shore (winter) or the south shore (summer), I’ll still paddle out on my stand-up paddleboard.

I’ll paddle something out on the ocean for the rest of my life. About the only thing keeping me out of the water is sustained winds of over 20 knots. Maybe for windy days I should learn to windsurf, kite surf, or foil surf.

People frequently ask me about learning to surf– especially in Hawaii. Just over 20 years ago I started showing friends how to paddle into waves, and I might have mentioned it on a few podcasts over the decades. *

Of course Waikiki is the most popular place on Oahu for surfing lessons. If you’re staying there then take a look at the beach concession behind the Outrigger Reef (by Fort Derussy Beach Park) or at Hilton Hawaiian Village.  Military families can talk with the activities desks at the Hale Koa Hotel or set up a surf lesson from the lifeguards at White Plains Beach on Kalaeloa.

I’ve also watched the North Shore’s surf instructors (for decades!) up at Pua’ena Point Beach Park.

During winters, Pua’ena has three distinct breaks with sizes from “never surfed before” (on the inside) all the way up to the impactful “at least double overhead” outside break. (Northwest swells are particularly good at Pua’ena.) During summers there’s usually still a small break close to the beach, and the trucks & vans of North Shore Surf Girls and Uncle Bryan are there every day.

Image of business card of Hawaii Waves Surf School with "Feel The Wave" tagline and "Ask For Ash!" instructor phone number 808-256-7226. | MilitaryFinancialIndependence.com

New happy surfers… every day.

As I paddle out there, I also enjoy watching Ash teaching new surfers. Last weekend I finally got his contact info (see the photos): HISurfSchool.com and 808-256-7226. He’s one of the best instructors I’ve seen (and I’ve seen a lot of them) and he’s also fun to watch. When I pass his new surfers on the inner break, you can practically feel the stoke radiating off of them… or maybe they’re just enjoying my usual goofy grin.

My high point of a January weekend swell was watching Ash coach an older guy who clearly knows how to paddle but who might have been out of the waves for a few years. I had a great session with friends & family, and even more: I enjoyed watching Ash work with him.Image of business card of Hawaii Waves Surf School with "Feel The Wave" tagline and "Ask For Ash!" instructor phone number 808-256-7226. Group or private lessons at all skill levels. | MilitaryFinancialIndependence.com

* (I’m happy to paddle out with you if you’re already a surfer!  My favorite summer break, White Plains Beach on Kalaeloa, is Navy property.  Their lifeguards run the surf instruction program.)

 

A Different Call To Action

Where will your financial independence take you?

What will you do on your first day after quitting paid employment? A month after? Six months later?

What possibilities are around you now, worth exploring today even if you’re still pursuing FI?

 

 

 

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Your Millionaire Interview


Since you’re reading this post on a blog about military financial independence, here’s a question for you: have you ever thought about drafting your Millionaire Interview on ESIMoney?

Simply thinking through a series of interview questions (while telling your story) is a compelling exercise. Maybe you’d even want to publish your stories on the site– anonymously. “Publishing” on that site is part of the reason I’ve written this post, but the introspection seems far more valuable to the writer than to their audience. Maybe you don’t need to share it in the first place, let alone publish it.

If you’re a millionaire, then how did you get there? What do you do all day? What will you do next? What advice do you have for future millionaires?

If you’re not (yet) a millionaire, then how will you get there? What are your obstacles and your plans? What questions are you figuring out?

 

My Millionaire Interview Backstory…

I wrote my interview after years of ‘getting around to it’. The questions were an incredibly valuable self-audit experience which forced me to think about what we’d done.  They also forced me to reflect on our oversights and our flat-out mistakes. I felt obligated to share timelines and numbers, and to back up my assertions by showing our math.

After I drafted my responses (to about 40 questions) I handed a printout to my supervising editor (my spouse) for us to discuss. Her first sentence of feedback: “Boooooring!”  And even worse, she’d been there for the whole journey.

Pro tip: an interview is supposed to share stories while educating the audience. It’s not a short-answers essay for clicks & advertising revenue.

My second draft took a good bit more effort than my first, but it was way more interesting– and probably more useful for an audience. In other news, my spouse and I have continued our discussion for years. We’ll be working through those questions for the rest of our lives.

 

… And The Millionaire Money Mentors Forum

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“Please join us!”

Ironically, I wrote my Millionaire Interview after joining the Millionaire Money Mentors forum.

I was skeptical about joining the forum.  “Who pays money for that?!?” I was sure that I could get better advice from thousands of free Internet sites. In fact, I was already online three decades earlier when The Motley Fool website inadvertently jumpstarted the 1990s financial independence blogging industry (including John Greaney among others) by trying to charge money for their Retire Early forum. Tens of thousands of people ditched TMF to build their own communities instead of further enriching the Gardner brothers.

I recognize what some of us are already thinking:

“But Nords… the Millionaire Interview site owner charges hundreds of dollars for people to join his forum! Of course he wants more people to write their free interviews. It’s how he became a millionaire!!”

You’d hate to get suckered into handing our money to a millionaire– only to learn that he became one by charging $500 each from 2000 people. Per year.

I completely understand the reflex. In reality, he earned his money from a corporate career which happened to include a couple decades of blogging as a side hobby. (“20 years to an overnight success.”) He’s a millionaire from his saving & investing, not from our forum membership fees. I’m pretty sure that most of the revenue goes right back into the monthly payments for the forum software and the hosting bandwidth. It’s one of the fastest and most uptime forums I’ve ever used.

Five years ago when I joined the forum, I also had insider knowledge from years of reading ESIMoney’s first successful site (Free Money Finance).  Later I’d met John at FinCons, and I enjoyed watching his management of Rockstar Finance during its glory days. The forum admin, Steve (founder of ThinkSaveRetire), also has a great reputation for creating websites & content.

Yet the fact is that– even as a submarine veteran– I had to resort to taunting myself into joining the Millionaire Money Mentors forum. After all, I could certainly afford the experiment and I might get a good blog post out of it. If I didn’t like the experience, then I’d still get full value for the price I paid to learn from it.

Thankfully, within days of spending my money I realized the true value of a paid forum: no advertising, no spam, no haters, and no trolls. Just dozens of people who’d become millionaires through various combinations of earning, saving, and investing– and who were now sharing their peer-tutoring experience in a polite and professional environment. Along with photos of their pets.

I started writing my interview in late 2020, a few weeks after joining the forum. I was already feeling introspective because my spouse and I had recently become rookie grandparents. In addition, billions of our fellow humans were grappling with our own mortality in the throes of a global pandemic.

More importantly, the writing redirected my thoughts to where my spouse and I were going with our wealth.

Our daughter (a rookie parent) and I had just published our book, too, so the interview questions made our entire family reflect on our legacy, philanthropy, estate planning, and next-generation FI. Unsurprisingly, the MMM forum is filled with long and detailed threads on those topics.

 

Your Millionaire Interview Opportunity

John & Steve don’t need anyone’s help with the millionaire forum or ESIMoney, but they have a goal: 500 Millionaire Interviews.  As of this post’s publication, they’ve just released MI 461.

Ironically, over the last decade ESIMoney has already had several thousand people ask him to send them the interview questions. Sadly his response rate has consistently hovered around 10%. Getting to MI 500 is going to take nearly 400 more inquiries, but fortunately John has decades of sales experience and knows how to motivate customers.

Here’s his latest offer, quoted directly from his site:

“Anyone who completes a millionaire interview becomes eligible to apply as a mentor in the Millionaire Money Mentors (MMM) forums — and receive free access — by following these steps:
– Complete a millionaire interview on ESI Money.
– Agree to introduce yourself in the forums.
– Agree to minimum posting requirements (because we want active mentors, not passive observers).”

You can read more about that free access at ESIMoney’s “Help Us Reach 500 Millionaire Interviews.”

As an unintended consequence accidental bonus of your free forum mentorship, you get extensive access to the explicit personal details of three generations of Ohana Nords (and our personal wealth-management tactics) that I’ve never shared on any public site. I’m one of the more active members of the Millionaire Money Mentors forum (far more than my participation in any other forums or Facebook groups) but I’m learning more alongside hundreds of other millionaires.

When you search ESIMoney for keywords like “Nords” and “submarine”, you’ll find my Millionaire Interview… as well as a few updates and a handful of sea stories financial posts with a military theme.

 

“Um, Nords, I’m Not A Millionaire Yet…”

If you’re not already a millionaire then you’re still going to be one someday from compounding, right? Maybe it seems exceptionally difficult right now because you’re already earning, saving, & investing– especially when you’re in the boring middle of the financial independence journey. You’re not in the Two-Comma Club yet, but the boring part means it’s working.

Believe it or not, a few members of the forum are from military families– active duty as well as Reserves, National Guard, retirees, and veterans. Military families are present in the same percentages of the forum membership as the rest of America’s military demographics. We shouldn’t be surprised that veterans (with or without military pensions) have figured out how to build millionaire wealth.

I’m not going to suggest that you spend hundreds of dollars on joining the forum as a member. It’s not currently open to paid membership, and I’m not sure whether it’s ever going to reopen for any price.

But you can still read the Millionaire Interviews on ESIMoney. You can still copy & paste the questions from the latest interviews and put the effort into drafting your own interview. (It’s straightforward– and it’s valuable– but it is not easy.) We can contact me here to talk about your path to financial independence, in the comments or in your own guest post.

Read a Millionaire Interview (or two) every week, and keep learning. Your financial wisdom will compound even more quickly than your financial investments.

 

 

 

 

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  • Retire on your terms
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Dementia among your family or friends… or in your finances.


 

Everyone knows that they need to spend time on their estate plans.  It’s part of financial independence, and it’s even more important if you’re a military veteran with survivor’s benefits.

Yet how much time have you spent adulting on your disability plan, especially for later in life with declining cognition?  What about your loved ones and *their* plans?

Recently in a thread on the Millionaire Money Mentors forum, the subject of cognitive impairment came up.  (For those of you who are members, the thread is “Friends/Family Who Are Bad at Money.”) I wrote about my father’s dementia, and I’ll expand on that here in 4600 5500 6500 words of excruciating detail.  It’s a long read so I’ll include frequent summaries as we go.

Disability planning makes dying look easy.  As an example, I’ll write about my father and the lessons we learned from his long, slow slide into dementia.

I’ve already written many financial summaries about the years as my father’s conservator.  This time I’ll try to show how easy it is to be derailed by a lack of experience— despite my fiduciary good intentions.

As I started writing about this, I was surprised to realize that it’s been over eight years since his death.  This post is more keyboard therapy, and also for the benefit of anyone else who might be headed down a slippery caregiver slope.  

I’ll point out where we could have done things differently, and I’ll also link a book & videos which could help.

I wasn’t even sure that I should put this on the Internet.  My beta readers convinced me to completely rewrite it and then publish before I change my mind again.  Hopefully this case study (and its timeline) will help you recognize the issues if they start appearing among your loved ones.

Keep in mind:  I learned nothing during the events leading up to my father’s cognitive decline.  (I learned about dementia and Alzheimer’s care long after we were on the job.)  All of my lessons from this experience were gleaned after months of introspection.

Since this is a long read, I’ll break up the chronological flow with the lessons that I should have learned by that time.  You can scroll to the bold uppercase font of LESSON LEARNED.

I’ll show you where I made my mistakes.  I hope this will help you with your loved ones.

If you use trigger warnings, then please stop reading now… or else buckle up.

 

The Background

For those who are new to this story, my father reached his financial independence in 1987 and retired at age 53.

For the next 22 years he lived such a low-key outdoor lifestyle among the Rocky Mountains that he was spending less than 40% of his small pension + Social Security.  In 2004 when my brother and I tried to convince him to stop gifting us he asked: “What else in the world would I spend it on?  I’m doing everything I want to do.”

In 2008, dementia oozed into his life.  It crept in “on little cat feet” (as the poet wrote)— and then it took over.

Image of Doug Nordman’s father Dean Nordman in 2009, at the visitor’s center overlooking National Monument Park near Grand Junction Colorado. | MilitaryFinancialIndependence.com

Dad, Colorado National Monument Park

Alzheimer’s killed our father in late 2017.

Dad spent his final six years in long-term care.  My brother was his court-appointed guardian, and I was his conservator.  A few weeks after our father died, I also had to step up as a self-appointed executor when my brother simply… flamed out… and stopped doing his part of the paperwork.

Worst of all, in late 2024 John Hancock’s long-term care insurance team re-victimized and gaslighted us all over again.

 

What Our Family Has Done Since 2017:

My spouse and our daughter can vouch that I’m still recovering from these years.  Our daughter’s a military vet (same as us parents), and she’s heard these family stories before.  She’s spent her entire life putting up with my submariner’s snarky black humor, including 15 years with my excessive (possibly obsessive) focus on this topic.  In addition, our son-in-law is still on active duty and staring at his “someday” military transition— while watching the impact of dementia among his family’s elders.

I talk about this for a reason:  I’m trying to desensitize our entire family to the worst-case possibilities of my genome, as well as reassuring our progeny (yet again) that we parents are reducing their caregiver burden if our cognition declines.

We have a full disability plan in place now, and our two generations iterate on it as we learn more.  In retrospect, estate planning was the easy part.  Disability planning is far more complicated— and fraught with even more emotions.

Personally, I’m working on my health with validated tactics from medical research.  I hope my lifestyle efforts overcome my genes!  Yet I have a mental timer ticking down the months until I reach age 74, the same age when my father first noticed his cognitive symptoms.  My 2034 alert may seem macabre but again… submarine engineer… and we humans never know our last day of anything.

As far as dealing with John Hancock’s gaslighting, we turned down their “offer” in early 2025.  I hope to never hear from them again, and if I do then I’m not going to re-engage.  If you’ve bought any products from that insurer, please read the post and be aware of their incompetence.

 

A Reader’s Question

I started writing when a reader asked:

“I am sure you have covered this in other posts, but when your father was dealing with Alzheimer’s:  Why did you just not just rely on a POA, when your father was of sound mind before the dementia, to take control instead of having to use the conservator path?”

 

The Chronology

We’ll start with Dad’s caregiver burnout.

My father was widowed in 1987 when my mother died after a decade of breast cancer.  Mom was a hardcore Registered Nurse, to the extent that she persevered through multiple rounds of chemotherapy and surgery.  My brother and I were in high school when she was diagnosed, and our family was devastated a dozen times by the whiplash of her cancer progression (and her painkillers).  Our parents didn’t talk about these things (“We don’t want you boys to worry”… ?!?), and by the time the cancer spread to her bones we boys had already launched from the nest.  We (especially me on Navy sea duty) weren’t around to help much, and they didn’t ask for help.

The years of caregiver stress hit Dad hard, but at least their finances were in good shape.  While coping with her cancer, they reached financial independence and he eventually retired from his career.

Mom passed away a few weeks after he retired— only a few days before their 28th wedding anniversary.  She was on home hospice and began voluntary stopping of eating & drinking.  Dad understood the signs and told us to come home.  My spouse and I flew to Colorado to spend our final hours with Mom, and she died a day later.  That’s when my spouse and I realized that Dad had completely physically & emotionally exhausted himself during Mom’s final months of painkillers, hospitals, and hospice.

Dad was even more introverted than us, and after Mom died he chose a hermit lifestyle.

In retrospect (I use that word a lot in this post) he was already struggling to handle the caregiving trauma, let alone widowerhood.  He withdrew from family & friends and never formed new attachments.  He lived in small apartments in small Colorado towns (which made it difficult to visit him), and he rarely tried to visit us.  He was not a grandparent presence in our daughter’s life.

 

LESSON LEARNED:  Communication is hard, even without interference from family dynamics.  Beyond that issue, respite care is essential for caregivers before they permanently impact their health.  If you’re not already discussing these perpetual challenges in your family, read Cameron Huddleston’s book “Mom And Dad, We Need To Talk” for her tactics and her sample scripts to use with your family.

 

Another Family Elder’s Dementia

A year after Mom passed, my father ended up caring for *his* widowed father’s struggles with dementia.  It’s another long story (to share some other time), but it started when my grandmother suddenly died after a massive stroke in her late 70s.  After she passed away, our grandfather never updated his powers of attorney or did any other disability planning.

Gramps developed dementia and went another four years without paying bills or filing income-tax returns.  His cognition slowly deteriorated to the point that my father finally got “the call” from the property manager and flew in to visit Gramps.  With lawyers, my father petitioned the probate court for conservatorship & guardianship.  Dad moved Gramps from assisted living into full care and then commuted quarterly between Colorado and Gramps’ care facility in Ohio.

Dad also spent months on forensic financial cleanup:

    • emptying Gramps’ spare bedroom full of unopened mail (including 1980s investment dividend checks),
    •  searching for all of his other financial accounts from earlier years,
    • drilling out safe-deposit boxes, and
    • paying years of delinquent bills.
Image of Doug Nordman sitting next to his paternal grandfather during a nursing home visit in the late 1990s. | MilitaryFinancialIndependence.com

Visiting Gramps in his care facility.

He endured another five years of negotiating Gramps’ financial mess with collection agencies, utility companies, the state of Ohio, and the IRS.

 

LESSON LEARNED:  In retrospect(!), Grandma might have been covering for Gramps’ mild cognitive impairment.  It’s so easy for one spouse to slowly take over for the other, especially if they’re elders who are not yet ready to face the challenges of a diagnosis and the logistics of next steps.  Everything can work out all right for months— as long as both of the couple stay healthy.

 

When they gradually fail at managing their affairs, it might take years for the problems to pile up before other family members or neighbors can step in.  When an elder’s cognition is declining, their easiest response is “No thanks, I’m fine.”

While Dad was dealing with Gramps, I was still on active duty and my brother was busy with his sales career.  We visited Gramps a couple of times and tried to talk with Dad about his own affairs.  Between 1988-2011, however, our father’s perpetual answer to our helpful offers was “I’m fine, boys, and I won’t do to you guys what my father did to me.”

In 2002 when Gramps passed away (age 97, after 14 years in long-term care) my brother and I again suggested that Dad consider at least a POA– and once again we said we were happy to help with any other disability/estate planning.

I didn’t know how to guide a disability discussion, and Dad was dismissive.  As our parent, he didn’t see the need to give us a POA or have us help him manage his money, thankyouverymuch.  Years later I recognized that these pronouncements were accompanied by the Dad Body Language indicating that these discussions were closed.  I’d known Dad for *my* entire life as a towering avatar of reliability and invulnerability, and maybe he saw himself that way too.

For the rest of my father’s life (even after I’d gained the military experience to know better), I told myself stories which were no longer true.

After settling Gramps’ estate, Dad eventually updated his own will.  The lawyer (a longtime friend) did a great job with the will, but neither my father nor the lawyer ever addressed disability planning.

 

LESSON LEARNED:  Our family still didn’t know how to have a constructive discussion about disability planning.  (We would’ve benefited greatly from Cameron’s book.)  By 2002 Dad had largely withdrawn from society, and he felt that he had plenty of time to deal with any disability planning.  Unfortunately he never took the steps, and we didn’t know how to support him or motivate him.

LESSON LEARNED:  Our family also didn’t understand how powers of attorney worked:  regular POAs are invalid when the grantor’s cognition becomes impaired.  *Durable* POAs remain valid during impaired cognition and dementia, and a DPOA would’ve avoided the conservator path.  In addition, DPOAs and conservator appointments are still widely ignored by financial corporations unless they’re on the firm’s own forms.

 

Caregiver Stress– And Worse.

Dad’s decades of caregiving for Mom and Gramps left him with a horrible case of chronic caregiver burnout.  From later evidence it was highly likely that he’d been clinically depressed since the 1980s, and possibly for most of his adult life.

We’ll never know if he ever sought counseling or more psychological help.  He’d never talk about a subject like that with us, of course, and I never found anything in his medical records.

 

LESSON LEARNED:  Caregiver stress is real.  Take care of yourself and learn how to ask for help. Communication is even harder when you’re burned out (and maybe clinically depressed).  Along with respite care and full-time care facilities, please find a caregiver support group.  In-person monthly meetings are best, but even online meetups can help share the burden and relieve some of the stress.
You can benefit from counseling after your caregiver years, simply to recover from the emotional impacts.  Grief is a forest fire with new growth:  the damage never completely goes away, but new growth surrounds it.  You’ll never stop grieving, but you’ll develop a better perspective on it.

 

 

Image of a burned-out forest with a sprig of fresh growth as a metaphor of dealing with grief. | MilitaryFinancialIndependence.com

Grief persists while new growth surrounds it.

Dad’s burnout made him very cynical about healthcare.  In the 1980s-90s he despised “being a lab rat” and he avoided doctors.  During those decades he never had any major accidents or illnesses requiring medical care, and he never sought preventive care— not even a flu shot.  In 1999 when he finally visited a doctor for a minor hiking injury, his “routine” blood test showed advanced prostate cancer.  Back then the treatment was a radical prostatectomy.

He was 65 years old at that diagnosis— the same age I am at the time of this post.

Being my father, he told “us boys” that he didn’t want us to take care of him after the surgery.  When we asked about visiting nurses, he insisted that he already had help.  Also being my father, his “help” meant that he called a taxi to take him home after the hospital discharge.  And since he’s my father who never seemed to be sidelined by illness or pain, he recovered quickly.

 

LESSON LEARNED:  Practice your preventive care– *especially* if you’re a caregiver or if you have a family history of anything. The military wants to keep servicemembers fit to fight, and after our service we should use that experience (and discipline) to stay fit for a full & happy life.  Find a way to maintain your own health, even if it’s as rudimentary as flu vaccines and walking on a treadmill.

 

Long-Term Care Insurance

We all moved on with our lives.  Dad eventually moved to an apartment in Grand Junction.  I retired from active duty (on Oahu, where my spouse and I still live today) and my brother stayed near Denver.

In 2004 I offered Dad a chance to sign up for the Federal Long-Term Care Insurance Program, because I’d learned he was eligible as the parent of a military retiree.  He  thought his policy was good enough.

We did the math, and he was right:  his John Hancock LTC policy was even more comprehensive & cheaper than the FLTCIP.

Years later, though, this Hancock insurance turned out to be a separate problem in our lives.  Generous LTC policies like Dad’s were woefully underpriced (due to optimistic actuarial projections) and those payouts nearly bankrupted the company.

This led Hancock to play defensive corporate hardball with tactics familiar to many military veterans: lie and deny until they die.  I’ll never do business with them, and our family has self-insured for our long-term care contingency.

The good news from our LTC discussion is that he designated me as his emergency contact if he stopped paying his LTCI premiums.  (This is a common backup with LTC insurers.)  He even sent me $1000 to cover the premium “in case I needed the money.”

 

LESSON LEARNED:  Read this post’s “Related articles” (at the end) about long-term care insurance and John Hancock. The FLTCIP has also closed to new clients for at least two *more* years and may never re-open to military families.  When you assess your needs for long-term care insurance, use an independent insurance broker to analyze permanent life insurance policies which have a long-term care rider.  They’re expensive and imperfect, but they’re better than the FLTCIP and other 20th-century policies.
Keep talking with your loved ones (Cameron Huddleston’s book again) by sharing your own plans for your health and your long-term care.

 

Medical Signs Of Potential Dementia

In 2005 (age 71) Dad’s body stopped regulating his blood pressure, despite his years and miles of hiking.  We never got an answer on the cause.  (It could have been genetic, or his extra 25 pounds on a mediocre carb-heavy diet, or his fondness for salty food.)  He and his doctor went through nearly six months of different BP medications (and nasty side effects) before settling on lisinopril.

There’s a strong correlation between BP and dementia, and we’ll never know how compliant he was with this prescription.

In mid-2008 he noticed symptoms of “slipping memory”, and his primary care physician gave him a referral to a geriatrician for cognitive testing.  Dad didn’t mention it to us— even if he had remembered it, he wouldn’t have wanted us to worry.  I only know about this referral because in 2011 I found the PCP’s visit summary misfiled in Dad’s four-drawer cabinet.

There was no record of any visit from the referral.  Apparently the PCP never followed up, or Dad insisted he was fine, or he never revisited the PCP.

Finally in late 2009 (age 75) Dad sent us his hand-written letter that his slipping memory (the term he used for the rest of his life) made it too hard for him to use e-mail. Due to his hermit habits, with months between e-mails and years between visits, it was our first clue that he was struggling.

 

LESSON LEARNED:  Keep the lines of communication open.  (Yes it’s a theme.)  If in-person visits are impractical, and an elder’s hearing or vision is too impaired for video calls, then find another way to keep talking.  Even e-mails or texts are useful for knowing that they’re still in touch.
“Communication” includes sharing your health information with other family members who need to know about their family medical histories.

 

Dad’s letter earned him all sorts of the wrong kind of attention.

My brother and I immediately visited Dad’s 2BR apartment (in Grand Junction) for a family reunion.  By then Dad was clearly (even to us) in early-stage dementia, yet he was coping with this new normal because of his engineer’s huge cognitive reserve.  (Writing as an engineer:  this hypothesis suits my confirmation bias.)  Back then my brother and I knew nothing about Alzheimer’s, but with Gramps’ history and Dad’s BP prescriptions we were thinking chronic medication side effects or intermittent vascular dementia.

Dad was functioning with his lifelong habits of checklists, wall calendars, notebooks, Post-It notes, and fridge/freezer labels.  He was cooking & eating his usual meals, although he regularly searched his kitchen cabinets (in an engineer’s clockwise spiral, of course) to remember where he’d put the dinner plates.

He admitted that he occasionally struggled to balance his checkbook. (He wrote a dozen paper checks per month and might have forgotten to enter them in his register.)  His contingency for that problem was letting his checking account grow to a “buffer” of $25,000 (over $37K in 2026!) so that he didn’t have to worry about bouncing monthly payments of a few thousand dollars.

My brother and I didn’t have a diagnosis for Dad’s cognitive decline, and we didn’t even understand the different types of dementia.  We had no idea how to cope with his symptoms or guide his behavior.

 

LESSON LEARNED:  Denial and procrastination are far too frequent among the families of people struggling with mild cognitive impairment.  Ignorance makes it easy to delude yourself into thinking everyone will be all right.  As your elders reach their 70s, make the time to learn more for yourself about potential dementia symptoms and medication side effects.  Awareness won’t avoid the problems, but they’ll help you handle them more effectively.

 

Communicating With Dementia

Today I know that early-stage Alzheimer’s patients can no longer follow a conversation– let alone a logic flowchart or a caregiver discussion.  The easiest answer that an elder can give in these confusing situations is “No thanks, I’m fine.”

During our visit, Dad shut down all discussions of POAs, checkbook help, or any other support.  His comment about his $25K buffer in his checking account was his example of how he was “Just fine, boys.”  (It’s a recurring theme, right?)  At one point when I forgot a detail of an old family story, he even teased me a little about *my* slipping memory.  When I suggested visiting a few community assisted-living facilities (as Gramps had done in the 1970s) Dad said “Nah, that’s for old people.”

The second evening of our visit we watched “The Sound Of Music” on TV, a family favorite which we’d seen at least 82 gazillion times over the last four decades.  At the dramatic peak when the family escaped from the Nazis, Dad said “Ah geez, this movie isn’t going anywhere, I’ve had enough” and changed the channel.  He’d enjoyed Julie Andrews’ movies & songs many times since the 1960s but he didn’t even recognize her.

When Dad showed us around Grand Junction, his driving was flawless.  Yet he admitted that he sometimes forgot how to get back home after errands, and he’d drive an (engineering) expanding search grid until he recognized his surroundings.  He said his worst-case solution was a card in his wallet with the contact info of my brother and me.  If his search grid didn’t help his short-term memory then he planned to call 911 and have the police contact us.

Dad even told me that he started his 10-mile mountain hikes by going uphill until he was tired.  If he got lost, he knew to head downhill until he reached a path, a road, or the parking lot.

After our second day of this family reunion, my brother had to return to work (in Denver).  After three days, it was clear that I’d overstayed my welcome.  I headed home too.

 

LESSON LEARNED:  After every visit with a loved one who’s struggling, make the time to communicate with your other family members about what you’ve seen and heard.  Share data without trying to diagnose or advocate, but make it clear that you’re concerned about next steps.

 

Tactics If When Elders Refuse Your Help

Back home on Oahu, I consulted Vivia from our local Ho’okele Health Innovations startup.  I know the co-founders well and I trust their experience.  I was also still blissfully unaware of my ignorance.

Their advice (revealed gradually and tactfully among many questions) was that there’s no easy answers.  My best approach was to avoid arguing with Dad (to preserve what was left of our communication) and to wait him out.  They suggested that I hire a geriatric care manager in his area, have them start a client file, and give them the info to step up when the crisis happened.

 

LESSON LEARNED:  I’ve heard from first responders that they love this approach.  While they’re busy with the 911 call, it’s a tremendous help to hear from a GCM who can coordinate with the hospital… because that’s how most of these “wait ‘em out” situations finally end.

 

The GCM we hired in Grand Junction said the hospital and the police routinely asked her if she had their latest patient/victim in her files for family notifications.

After our late 2009 visit, my brother and I checked in with Dad occasionally.  His hearing loss (and his refusal to use hearing aids) made phone calls a frustrating experience for everyone, but we’d try to leave voicemail and we’d hope that he’d check in with us.

Since phones and e-mail conversations were out of the question, I used letters and snail mail.  His few (hand-written) responses were variations on “I’m fine, boys” with visibly declining vocabulary and handwriting.  He never phoned us again, and after six months he stopped writing letters.

 

LESSON LEARNED:  Alzheimer’s patients gradually lose the ability to comprehend what they hear or read, and they’re not aware of it.  Our calls & letters only helped keep open the lines of communication with him.  It also made me feel better, and I was still blissfully ignorant optimistic that this icon of my life would take care of himself.

LESSON LEARNED:  “Wait him out” might be good advice for social elders, but it’s a Very Bad Idea for hermits.  Even when he was alone in his apartment we should have maintained regular face-to-face contact (at least weekly) to check on meals, housecleaning, laundry, groceries, and doctors.  We could have asked him to help us do our own chores or to drive us to “our” doctor appointments while we at least socialized the idea of helpers for his daily life– and while we tried to encourage assisted living.

 

Instead, I later learned (from Dad’s credit-card receipts) that he spent 2010 drinking himself into a duodenal ulcer.

As a classic social drinker from the 1950s, alcohol was a constant presence.  (He offered me my first beer at age 13, but I digress.)  He usually had beer or wine with restaurant lunches.  As soon as he got home from work he’d have a watery scotch and “top it off” for dinner.  After dinner he might have another watery scotch.

In early-stage Alzheimer’s, you don’t have the short-term memory to keep track of anything, let alone your alcohol consumption… even when you’re sober.

By the back half of 2010 he was up to a pint of Wild Turkey or Old Grand-Dad per day.  His credit cards showed that he’d still go out to lunch, but he’d stopped buying groceries for his usual breakfasts & dinners at home.

 

LESSON LEARNED:  This was a surprise to us, and the solution is harsh.  Find a way to make alcohol less attractive.  Remove alcohol from their home, or replace it with another liquid like water, tea, or non-alcoholic beer.  In addition, if you have any family history of dementia or excessive alcohol use, then maybe it makes sense for you(!) to stop using alcohol now.  The following paragraphs demonstrate how I found the motivation to stop my alcohol consumption.

 

At 3AM on 27 February 2011 I got the hospital phone call:  Dad was recovering in the ICU.  The ER surgeon’s first question was whether my father was an alcoholic– Dad’s stomach had no food and his ulcer had leaked alcohol into his peritoneal cavity.  He was still unconscious but he was out of danger.  He was weak from malnutrition and had a long recovery ahead.

I later learned that Dad woke up at midnight in horrible pain from the ulcer.  He’d stopped using phones because of his hearing loss, and by then I doubt he remembered how to dial 911.  Being Dad, he put on his coat and started walking down the apartment stairs to drive himself to the Emergency Room.

A neighbor (coming home from a late shift) saw Dad in the parking lot and could tell he was hurting.  Dad was incoherent with pain (and alcohol), so the neighbor drove him to the ER.  (Dad would have wrecked his own SUV if he’d tried to drive.)  The neighbor and the ER team could smell the alcohol but they interpreted Dad’s pain & words as a heart attack.

The doctor couldn’t get Dad to lay still for an EKG, and eventually he lost consciousness.  The EKG was fine, they moved him to a CT scanner, and they found the ulcer in time.  (The surgeon used the term “slash & mop.”)  The hospital did an outstanding job of saving his life.

I called the GCM, who visited the ICU and helped with the admissions paperwork.  I flew in the next morning and my brother came over after work.

 

LESSON LEARNED:  Hiring a GCM in advance is worth the time saved in a crisis.

 

Although my father didn’t understand what had happened, doctors were authority figures in his life.  He wanted to go home but he politely agreed with the “prescription” for six weeks in a rehab facility.  We all scrambled to find a care facility in Denver (near my brother), and Dad was discharged after four days in a recovery room.

As Dad recovered, he let me “borrow” his keys to fetch clothes & toiletries.  I had copies made at the local hardware store.  When he was asleep I’d drive over to search his apartment and assess the chaos.

Although checklists, calendars, and Post-Its were still everywhere– they’d been neglected for weeks. His fridge and freezer were empty.  His mail was piling up and his bills hadn’t been paid for two months.  He had a two-foot stack of daily newspapers in a closet.

 

LESSON LEARNED:  Don’t waste your time on explanations to a dementia patient.  They can’t follow the logic and they’ll feel patronized– or even argumentative.

 

Find polite ways to get them to comply with an authority figure like doctors or nurses.  Find ways to motivate a dementia patient to work with you, like bringing them something they want if they give you something you need.

 

Financial Caregiving

During Dad’s hospital stay I made a rookie caregiver mistake… and it eventually cost us nearly $10K to recover from it.

He was restless in the recovery ward, and he hadn’t paid his bills since December 2010.  As he sobered up, he kept fretting that he’d forgotten to pay his rent (he was right).  He needed something to occupy his attention or he’d wander all over the hospital.

I solved those problems by fetching his mail and his checkbook.  He struggled to fill out his checks, so I wrote in the blanks.  He signed them and I dropped them in the mail.

When those checks were processed and eventually deposited back at his small-town bank, the teller knew (from the small-town gossip network) that he’d been in the hospital.  She recognized the different handwriting styles on the checks and alerted her manager.  The bank cleared the bills but the manager left voicemail for Dad to call her.

When I explained the situation to the manager, she sympathized but she still locked his checking account.  (This account received his pension & Social Security deposits.)  She knew Dad, and he might have been able to cajole her into agreeing to a DPOA if he was having a good day, but he never left the care facility again.  It’s really hard to get a notary to visit a care facility, too.

 

LESSON LEARNED:  By then I’d already found Dad’s bank login & password, so I should have gone online and paid his bills for him.  Yes that’s a misdemeanor (or maybe a felony?) but I was being a fiduciary and the bank would never have noticed the difference.

 

The following week, after long discussions with our GCM and a lawyer, we petitioned the probate court for appointments as conservator (me) and guardian (my brother).  My well-meaning naive mistake set us back several months and nearly $10K in legal fees.  I also paid over $25K of Dad’s care-facility expenses (out of my own money) before we finally had the authority for Dad to reimburse us.

It’s a very good thing that my spouse and I were already financially independent and could sell a few shares of our investments to cover Dad’s expenses.  I’m sure the care facility would have understood our legal delays in accessing his accounts… and I’m equally sure they would have piled on the extra fees & interest charges.

Once we had our court appointments, Dad’s final six years were less difficult– but never less stressful.

 

LESSON LEARNED:  If a loved one needs chronic care, where will they find the money to pay for it? How long will your family’s emergency fund last?  How (and when) can you access their assets to set up payments?  What other community resources are available to you?

 

Military Service

Here’s an important point for military families– especially draftees before 1973.

When I met with our GCM and a lawyer about the next steps for Dad’s care, the lawyer’s very first question was “Is your father a military veteran? Do you have a copy of his DD-214 discharge papers?”

Dad was wealthy enough (and insured) to pay for long-term care, but caregiving professionals still want to know about veteran’s benefits like VA Aid & Attendance, VA healthcare, survivor benefits, eligibility for an Armed Forces Retirement Home, state Veterans Homes, and other support.

Dad was a typical Cold War conscript, drafted in 1956– right after being hired by Westinghouse Electric as part of his co-op college degree in electrical engineering.  When he finished recruit training and Armor School, he was declared to be in a “critical occupation” and transferred (as a private) to the Army’s Individual Ready Reserves (inactive status) for six years.

Being my Dad, he rarely talked about his Army service– even after I joined the Navy.  I heard more about his service from my grandparents, uncles, and aunts than from him.

Also being my Dad, he had a huge four-drawer file cabinet full of important papers and correspondence going back to the 1930s.  Despite his meticulous retention and tabbed folders, I had no idea where his DD-214 could be.

The “good” news is that I knew (from our family stories and photos) roughly when he was drafted and when he was sent home.  Even without his DD-214 I was able to determine that he’d never served for long enough on active-duty orders that would qualify him for veteran’s benefits.

Apparently his military service wasn’t important to him, because it took me over a year to finish sorting through all of his files.  I finally found his DD-214 tucked away in a thick folder of “Miscellaneous”, and it was still creased into the original envelope.  He’d apparently opened it and then tossed the entire envelope in the file folder.

His only service memorabilia was a couple of graduation certificates and marksmanship awards.  It took me months to find those too.

The lawyer was very knowledgeable, professional, and polite– but I was embarrassed.  I’d been retired from active duty for nearly nine years by then, and I still didn’t know about elder VA benefits?  Worse, I was even more stressed by my ignorance and worried about what other gaping deficiencies in my knowledge would affect my Dad’s care.

 

LESSON LEARNED:  Store a copy of your DD-214 in a safe place for a caregiver’s use.  If there’s an elder vet in your family then check with them on their DD-214.  Consider learning more about their career– and their military benefits.  You can research their eligibility for VA healthcare and other benefits on the VA’s websites.
If you’re not familiar with any of this, then contact a Veteran Service Officer (they’re free) or your local chapters of the American Legion, Disabled American Veterans, or Veterans of Foreign Wars.  They have far more experience at helping families with these questions.

 

More Caregiver Stress

During Dad’s residence in his long-term care facility, I learned a lot about financial caregiving.

I spent six years under the benevolent oversight of the Denver probate court, which required regular reports and detailed accounting.  My conservator’s appointment had to be renewed each year (after my reports had been approved) and I’d even had to sign an extradition agreement permitting a Colorado judge to reel me in from Hawaii if I misbehaved.

Dealing with the financial bureaucracies of care facilities, insurance companies, and pharmacies is hard enough.  Doing it under the probate court doubled my caregiver paperwork– and my personal stress.

I had to include a comprehensive daily expense register with my annual reports.  I also had to project his annual expenses and summarize his investment performance.  If Dad was going to need Medicaid benefits, the state wanted to know long in advance.

Those reports were probably rubber-stamped by the judge as they re-issued my appointment, but every year I was asked questions by a clerk of the court or had my own questions for their pro-se (“self help”) office… and more forms to fill out.

The Denver probate court was very professional and responsive.  Yet every time I had to submit more correspondence, I reflected on how all of this could have been avoided with a durable power of attorney.

During Dad’s final six years, that DPOA oversight by our family added reams of paperwork (and more caregiver stress) to our lives.

When he passed away, all of his accounts were distributed by beneficiary designations.  Although we had to file his will with the probate court, his remaining assets were below the threshold for probate.  We never had to request an executor’s appointment as the estate’s personal representative, and I only needed his Estate ID number for his estate tax return.

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Death certificate + seven more legal forms.

However I also had to file eight separate forms with the probate court to close out my conservator’s appointment.  I’m sure they were just as tired of processing them as I was of preparing them.

 

 

LESSON LEARNED:  As hard as it can be to have an estate plan, a disability plan, a durable POA, and maybe even a revocable living trust– maintaining a conservator’s appointment is far more work and stress.

 

Our Own Family Plan (This Time We Really Mean It)

In 2016, when our daughter returned to the U.S. from overseas duty, we gave her a durable power of attorney over our Fidelity Roth IRAs and our joint taxable account.  (Fidelity makes this painful to execute, yet it’s worth the effort for its reliability.)  We also added her as a joint owner of our checking accounts, although a designation as an “authorized signer” or “trusted user” may be more appropriate.

More importantly, our daughter takes great comfort in understanding how to manage our finances if necessary.  Our generations talk about our money moves All. The. Time. (usually over a weekly family dinner) and our daughter knows how to step up when it’s necessary.

Over the next few years, my spouse and I had the difficult discussions with an estate-planning lawyer to put the final touches on our disability plan.  It’s held up well since then.  Our design is an extreme example, and the lawyer was initially very reluctant to implement it.  Our daughter is comfortable with the paperwork and the law firm, and we’ll keep refining our tactics.

I still have no idea how the rest of my life will turn out.  We might not ever need any of this.

Yet unlike my father & grandfather, I have a contingency plan and it’s already in place.

As I frequently tell our daughter & son-in-law:  we may be the world’s greatest parents, but we’re doing this so that nobody else should have to suffer our caregiver stress.

We’re treating them the way that we wish we’d been treated, and we’re present in our granddaughter’s life in a way that our daughter never had a chance to experience.

 

The final LESSON LEARNED:

If you know Cameron Huddleston, you might conclude that she’s an angel among caregivers.  I met her in 2017 at a FinCon when she was caring for her mother while writing “Mom and Dad, We Need to Talk.”

She interviewed me for part of a chapter, and we’ve stayed in touch.

You can guess what she advises, but I highly recommend the book for its guidance on how to set up the conversations– and her scripts on how to avoid being dismissed with “I’m fine.”  We met up again at the Bogleheads 2025 conference, where she gave her talk on financial caregiving.  (Cameron has a YouTube channel, and her talk will be on the Bogleheads channel.)

We even ended up having small breakout sessions with other Bogleheads attendees.

As I wrote earlier:  if you’re a caregiver, I strongly recommend joining a caregiver support group.  (In-person is best, but even online can be helpful.)  In addition to the emotional support, you’ll learn a lot faster from people who are willing to share.  If you’re under caregiver stress then the group could even save your life.

 

Call To Action

We professsional bloggers are expected to conclude our ramblings with a ToDo list.  Here’s yours:

1.  Read or listen to Cameron Huddleston’s book, and work on communications among your generations.

2.  Start building your disability plan with a durable power of attorney.

3.  Create your disability plan.

I’m happy to answer questions about the details, and if you’re on Oahu then I strongly recommend interviewing estate-planning lawyers like Sterling & Tucker.

 

 

 

There are no affiliate links or paid ads in this post.  Try your military base library or local public library before you pay money for these books– in any format.

 

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Related articles:
In Memoriam: My Father  (includes links to all of my financial posts about his long-term care)
Yet Another John Hancock Long-Term Care Insurance Update
Will Your Retirement Plan Handle Long-Term Care Needs? How Your Genome Impacts Disability, Caregiving, And Estate Planning
Family Estate Planning For Your Disability
“Mom and Dad, We Need to Talk” by Cameron Huddleston (all formats)
Extension of Suspension Period for Federal Long Term Care Insurance Program
(Effective 19 December 2024 for two more years)
Military families: hearing aids
VA Veteran Service Officers
VA Eligibility for Health Care

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“But Nords, You Have A Pension!”


 

I’ve been a member of the Millionaire Money Mentors forum since late 2020. It’s tremendously accelerated the financial independence of its members, including a number of military veterans (and a few servicemembers). I’ve learned a lot from the other mentors, and my spouse and I have saved tens of thousands of dollars with their advice.

On that forum, one of our Perpetual Internet Debates concerns the success (and rare failures) of the 4% Safe Withdrawal Rate.

You’d think that a bunch of millionaires (with median net worths of $5M) would feel sublimely confident that their money will last for at least 30 years, and possibly for the rest of their lives.

You would be wrong. Horribly, almost universally wrong.

 

“What If The Money Runs Out?!?”

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Is it really this bad?

Like every other military family (and most other humans), millionaires are concerned that there’s not enough safety margin in the 4% SWR. (Spoiler: Yes, yes there is. It’s built in.) Wars could break out. Bad recessions could happen. Unexpected expenses could pop up. Inflation could run wild. The kids’ college tuitions are unpredictable. A family member could get sick or hurt.

And despite being millionaires, we might never earn another dollar ever again in our entire lives…?!?

I know— it seems silly when I write it that way. Yet the scarcity mentality is one of the strongest emotions in behavioral financial psychology, and it affects millionaires at least as badly as people who are still on the path to financial independence.

Everyone on that forum can do math, and many of them have had high-earning careers. Yet the skills which build wealth to financial independence (while also waaaaaay overshooting the 4% SWR) do not translate well into the confidence of living our best lives. If anything, the seductive temptation of Just One More Year syndrome is worse. If it “wasn’t that hard” to build the first $5M, then why not stick around for $6M? $8M? Maybe $10M tops.

Those of you who’ve read this blog for a while can predict I’m “that guy” who pounds hard on the theme of using the 4% SWR as a tripwire for starting your new life transition. After you reach FI, then keep working if you find it challenging & fulfilling— but as soon as the fun stops then it’s time to change your job, or change your career, or simply change your life.

 

What About A Military Pension?

In mid-2026 I’m celebrating a dubious milestone of financial independence: collecting an active-duty pension for longer than I’ve collected military paychecks.

(And yes, I’ve included 47 months of midshipman pay in that comparison.)

I’ve been writing about inflation-adjusted pensions for over 20 years, and I’m fluent in four different military pension plans going back to the 1970s. I’ve recently added Social Security to my multi-lingual annuity skills. I’ve engaged in hundreds of Perpetual Internet Debates about the Consumer Price Index and various Cost Of Living Adjustment algorithms.

Inflation-adjusted annuities are one of the world’s most powerful compounding wonders. For example, my military pension (using the same Consumer Price Index calculation as Social Security) has risen 82.4% over the last 23 years.

Looking back on this from my mid-60s, sticking around for a military pension must seem like a pretty smart decision. I can still hear my Great Depression-born father-in-law’s retention recommendation from 35 years ago: “Just keep taking their money until you can retire!!”

Of course we’ve all heard of those legendary triple-dipping unicorns with military pensions, civil-service pensions (from a bridge career), and Social Security… including the survivor benefits attached to those annuities.

Even more ironic:  only 15% of military veterans end up retiring with a pension.  That’s fewer than 1 out of 6.  Maybe it’s higher for officers in some services, and a lot lower for enlisted infantry in the other services– that particular data doesn’t seem to be public anymore– but over the last 30 years it’s consistently 15% across the entire Dept of Defense.

You don’t need a pension to reach financial independence in the military.  It sure speeds up your FI, but it’s only worth the sacrifice if you find your career challenging & fulfilling.

However there’s another side of earning a military pension: I burned a big chunk of my life energy for extra money that I’ll never need.

Today that excess is going straight to philanthropy and family gifting.

I first wrote about the issue in 2013 with this post from the Internet Archive, and that became the legendary “Don’t Gut It Out To 20” post.  A decade later it’s still on the first page of most search-engine results.

With my background, it’s still frustrating to deal with these comments:

“Nords, your annual spend is covered by pensions, right? I wonder if the typical investments-only retiree (without a pension) would have cut spending or even gone back to work in 2001 and 2008-2009? Nonetheless, your experience is helpful in giving many of us more confidence!”

 

Grow Your Own Pension

The 4% SWR is based on [assets of 25x *net* annual spending], and that net is [gross income – all expenses]. For over two decades, my spouse and I have spent all of my inflation-adjusted pension and then spent more from our assets at the 4% SWR.

Is that different from the investments-only retiree who doesn’t have a pension? Math and logic would claim that this is only a difference in net expenses.

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Feels great, right?

Once again, though, the emotions of behavioral financial psychology view pensions as big, comfy, warm, fuzzy security blankets.

There’s a very real psychological background behind a pension: paychecks.

After decades of working for financial independence, retirees get an incredible emotional boost even from building their own synthetic paycheck. These feelings will always derail the math & logic of the total return (and tax efficiency) of cashing in the growth from retirement accounts.

From a retiree’s perspective, inflation-adjusted military pensions look like the world’s best income stream. We’re not going to dwell on the very real survivor bias of its accompanying VA disability compensation.

 

What about other inflation-adjusted income streams?

If you want a reliable pension but don’t want to risk the injuries to earn it— no problem! You can still go “buy” one. For example there’s:

  • Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities or I bonds (held to maturity)
  • a diversified collection of investment rental properties or REITs,
  • dividend equity index funds like the iShares Select Dividend ETF (DVY) held for the long term (>10 years),
  • a civil-service pension from federal or state governments (although less than fully adjusted for the CPI), and
  • Social Security (for those who have enough work credits).

You still have to be willing to pay for those income streams: higher income-tax rates outside of Roth retirement accounts.

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Is the stock market really this dangerous?

Ironically there’s an even better inflation-beating annuity which makes most investors run away screaming: a total stock market index fund. Over the long term (>10 years) it grows faster than inflation (math & logic), but nobody *likes* (there’s an emotion word again) the short-term volatility.

By choosing a military income stream with zero volatility, we pay a tremendous opportunity cost for the emotional comfort of better sleep at night. To see the math of that difference, compare the total return of any 30-year TIPS or I bond to the same 30 years of a total stock market index fund or a S&P500 index fund.

That’s why I bang so hard on my one-key piano telling military families that they don’t need to gut it out to 20 for a pension. And now that the military has moved to the Blended Retirement System, the stock market returns of the Thrift Savings Plan are even more compelling than legacy military pension systems.

 

What About Those Unexpected Expenses?

In our case– after nearly 24 years of retirement– our core spending (food, shelter, transportation) is accurately and precisely dialed in. We’ve optimized for quality, efficiency, and sustainability.

Entertainment and repair/replacement budget categories are also accounted for. We know what we enjoy doing, and we’ve optimized our ways of doing that too. We’ve made reasonable projections of how long our possessions and activities will last, and how much we’ll spend to maintain or replace them.

During economic recessions, discretionary spending is even less of an issue! We’d already planned for that spending (as part of our financial independence) and we’d saved & invested the assets to pay those expenses. Recessions mean that businesses are competing even harder for our money, and they’re willing to offer more value (or charge less). When it came time to spend the money, the recession usually included a significant price reduction.  The “variable” part of our spending happened without any further action from us.

Today the vast majority of our discretionary spending is legacy (family gifting) and philanthropy. That’s how we know we overshot the FI goal line (the tripwire of the 4% SWR) during our active-duty careers.

We could redirect that spending anytime we want (that’s the definition of “discretionary”) if we encounter new medical expenses (as we age) or even long-term care.

If we cut that gifting & philanthropy from our spending (out of a scarcity mentality) then it would only add even more digits to our net worth and our estate. Hopefully we’ll avoid estate taxes (especially Hawaii’s notoriously low exclusion for estate taxes) and we prefer to “give with warm hands.” We want to spend the money now, while we’re all still around to discuss it with our family and enjoy the experience together.

 

Your Call To Action

You’re already saving & investing for your financial independence, while still enjoying a sustainable quality of life during your working years.

You’re also going to base your FI number on a reasonable budget for both core expenses and discretionary spending. By “reasonable” you’re going to use historical long-term base rates of market returns (for your asset allocation) and for inflation (the CPI).  Use the official data– don’t just make up stuff in a retirement calculator.

If you want the security blanket of a pension, then build it into your asset allocation! For those who qualify, Social Security could be all you need. If you want more pension income then pick an asset allocation to support it with the inflation-fighting bonds, or real estate, or dividend equities mentioned above.

If you’re going to be conservative in your assumptions, then don’t mess with the base rates. Instead, do it with your expenses.   You’d assume that some of your spending might be higher in some years (blowout fantasy vacations), or that you’d replace some of your possessions more frequently.

Once you’ve tweaked your budget, you’re going to plug that conservative number into the 4% Safe Withdrawal Rate.

As you approach the trigger of the 4% SWR, start designing your FI life. Keep working as long as it’s challenging & fulfilling, but when the fun stops then it’s time to make a change.

Don’t gut it out for a pension— and don’t gut it out for some arbitrary margin beyond the 4% SWR.

 

 

 

There are no affiliate links or paid ads in this post.  Try your military base library or local public library before you pay money for these books– in any format.

 

Military Financial Independence on Amazon:

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  • Reach your own financial independence
  • Retire on your terms
  • Success stories and personal checklists
  • Royalties donated to military charities

Use this link to order from Amazon.com!

Raising Your Money-Savvy Family on Amazon:

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  • Reach your own financial independence
  • Teach your kids how to manage their money
  • Specific tactics from my adult daughter
  • Checklists and spreadsheets for your family

Use this link to order from Amazon.com!

Related articles:
“Hanging On For The Military Pension”
Don’t Gut It Out To 20
The World’s Best Asset Allocation
Asset Allocation Considerations For A Military Pension (or VA Disability Compensation)
“Why Do We Start Our FI With Two Years’ Expenses In Cash?”
“What If The 4% SWR Fails?”
Our Retirement: The Spending Smile Of Financial Independence
Fear And Despair In The Time Of Bear Markets
Covering a Mortgage in Retirement

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In-service Roth Thrift Savings Plan Conversions


A reader asks:

When you’re in the Blended Retirement System, does it make sense to convert the traditional TSP’s agency & matching contributions to the Roth TSP?
It looks like an interesting new feature with the 2026 changes to the Thrift Savings Plan.

The Short Answers:

Yes, if you’re below the ranks of O-4 or E-7– even if you’re getting sea pay, submarine pay, flight pay, or other specialty pays.

“Probably” if you’re at or above those ranks.

The Long Answer (2500 more words):

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It took a while!

Starting in January 2026, military servicemembers will be able to convert most of their traditional TSP balance into their Roth TSP.  It’s a great way to accelerate your financial independence.

The Federal Retirement Thrift Investment Board has been discussing in-service conversions for most of 2025,and the implementation announcement was finally released in November.

Is an in-service conversion worth the effort? Well, it’s a highly individual decision— but it’s a great idea if you already have a small tax bill.  Read the discussions below and then check your math.

 

Active-duty Military Families Have Low Income Taxes

The biggest issue is figuring out whether you have a small tax bill. Military families find this hard to believe: their total compensation is taxed less than civilian families.

Yeah, I was skeptical when I learned this, but keep reading.

As you’re already keenly aware, military compensation is lower than the equivalent civilian occupation, so it starts with a lower tax burden. In addition, only military pay is taxed— not allowances for housing & food. Other benefits (part of total military compensation) aren’t taxed either.

It gets better than lower tax rates on lower pay: junior military families are frequently eligible for tax credits like the Earned Income Tax Credit and child tax credits. They might pay very little in federal taxes.

And finally, if you’re a resident of a state that doesn’t tax your military pay, then your total tax bill is even lower.

When you’re in the earlier stages of a military career, you’re probably paying the lowest income taxes of your entire life.  (I’m 65 years old.  You don’t have to ask me how I’ve learned that.) If you’re in the 10%-12% federal income-tax bracket (and especially if you have tax credits) then you have plenty of room for small annual in-service Roth TSP conversions.  Even if you’re in the 22% bracket, those tax credits might still give you some room for conversions before you actually have to pay tax on dollars earned at the 22% rate.

Those small tactics have big impacts. Do it while you’re younger (and paying lower income taxes). Later in life, compounding can sneak up on you.

 

The Exponential Growth Of Compounding

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That rocket sneaks up on you.

We humans suck at estimating exponential growth. In the first 10-15 years of saving & investing, that growth looks linear. It can even feel frustratingly slow & boring! It takes a long time for the exponential part to become apparent, but once it starts then it moves more quickly every year. By the 20th year, that linear growth slopes upward even more sharply and goes hyperbolic… in a very good way.

Exponential growth means that money in your traditional retirement accounts can compound later in life to create what one accountant calls a “time bomb.”

You might have been in the 10%-12% income-tax brackets when you first contributed that money to your retirement accounts, but when you finally have to start withdrawing some in your 70s, it could be taxed in the 22% bracket— or even higher.

 

“I’ll Do Roth Conversions When I Reach Financial Independence!”

I hear that a lot. We already know that military families with a high savings rate can reach FI in their 30s or 40s even without a military pension. After that you’d stop working for money and you’d still have plenty of time to tackle those Roth conversions in your TSP and IRAs, right?

Here’s the thing: very few of us veterans stop earning money after the military. Even if we retire with a pension, we still transition to bridge careers in overwhelmingly high numbers.

Vets can personify excellence without arrogance. We have tremendous human capital, and we have the soft skills that employers want. We’ve seen some stuff, we know how to get more stuff done, and we’re coachable. Once we’ve been trained in a new career and gain experience, we can earn that serious money we’ve always heard about.

Our bridge-career income pushes us up into the 22% federal income-tax brackets right away— maybe even 24%— and we no longer have those untaxed military allowances or any tax credits. Even worse, our state might not tax military pay or pensions, but they’ll happily tax our earned income.

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Didn’t see it coming?

When we deal with those higher taxes, it’s tempting to put even more deductible contributions into traditional retirement accounts— and our existing military traditional TSP balance keeps compounding away the entire time.

I’ve watched this for over 40 years. Workers in their 50s and 60s with large balances in traditional retirement accounts are contemplating Roth IRA conversions in the 22% federal income-tax bracket. Retirees in their 60s & 70s can have enough gains in their retirement accounts to consider pushing their conversions into the 24% income-tax bracket. It’s a perpetual topic in the Millionaire Money Mentors forum.

If you can do in-service Roth TSP conversions in the 10%-12% income-tax bracket (especially if you have tax credits) then get it done now.

 

“Is The Tax Savings Worth The Effort?”

Here’s another big concern of military families: tapping their retirement accounts before age 59.5 penalty-free withdrawals.

As you approach the end of your active duty (in your 30s and 40s), you might feel that you have “too much” of your assets locked up in retirement accounts. There are plenty of ways to access those accounts without penalties (although with some income taxes), but in-service conversions make this even easier.

When you separate from the military, you can roll over your TSP accounts into your IRAs. (Your traditional TSP can be rolled into your traditional IRA without any tax impacts, and your Roth TSP can be rolled into your Roth IRA.) You could start converting your traditional IRA (with its traditional TSP balance) into a Roth IRA, but the Roth IRA conversion ladder still requires the conversion amount to be left untouched for five tax years.

The Roth TSP, though, offers more options.

When you roll your Roth TSP over to your Roth IRA, if you’ve already had a Roth IRA for at least five tax years: you can immediately withdraw your Roth TSP contributions (but not the growth!) from your Roth IRA—tax-free and penalty-free.  (You should check your account parameters with a fee-only fiduciary financial advisor, and that link has the references for the tax code.) If you’re concerned about bridging the gap to age 59.5, having your TSP contributions in the Roth TSP gives you a lot more flexibility.

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“Catching up to FI”…?

Of course it’s better to leave that money in your retirement accounts to keep compounding for your… retirement. Future You will someday be very grateful that Today You didn’t spend that money on consumerism. However if you’re already on track for financial independence, then the additional flexibility of Roth TSP contributions in your Roth IRA can smooth over a lot of life’s speed bumps.

Even if you make it to age 59.5 without touching your retirement accounts, those in-service conversions of your traditional TSP to your Roth TSP mean you never have to worry about Required Minimum Distributions.

Best of all, your heirs don’t have to pay taxes on an inherited Roth TSP.

 

Impacts Of The Blended Retirement System

The Roth TSP began rolling out in 2012 and the BRS started in 2018. We now have three broad groups of military families:

  • Junior ranks (<8 years) in the BRS with a smaller traditional TSP balance,
  • Senior ranks in the BRS with a mix of traditional TSP + Roth TSP balances, and
  • Senior ranks (not in the BRS) with a big traditional TSP balance.

Thanks to the military’s up-or-out promotion & retention systems, the junior ranks are by far the largest group. Even with waiting two years for the Dept of Defense’s BRS matching contributions, that traditional TSP is compounding during one of America’s greatest bull markets.

The TSP in-service conversion program requires a minimum amount of $500.  If that’s in the 12% federal income-tax bracket then you’d pay $60 on each $500 conversion. If you push into the 22% bracket then it’d be $110.

From then on, you’d never pay (more) taxes on the growth and you’d never have to worry about RMDs.

If you’re in the second or third senior groups (either in the BRS or still in the legacy High Three pension system) then the math is more complicated. It doesn’t take much of a conversion to push you into the 24% income-tax bracket, and it might look like a painful choice.

What does your senior-rank future look like? When you leave active duty, will you have a (taxable) military pension? Will you start a bridge career and already be in the 24% income-tax bracket? (Contact me if you end up in the 32% income-tax bracket— we’ll have an entirely different “problem” to solve.) If you earn income into your 50s or even your 60s, will you have enough years left in lower income-tax brackets for Roth IRA conversions?

As painful as it might seem above E-6 or O-4 (especially with bonus contracts and specialty pay), it might make sense to do in-service Roth TSP conversions in the 22% bracket now.

 

“But Wait, There’s More! — In Your Roth TSP”

It’s not just the effect of paying some taxes now to avoid more taxes later. It’s not just the benefits of untaxed future growth with no Required Minimum Distributions. It’s not even the convenience of tapping your Roth TSP contributions before age 59.5.

While you’re in uniform, is there a possibility that you’ll earn some Combat Zone Tax-Exempt pay?

Let me be clear: CZTE pay is a horrible reason to deploy to a combat zone. Yet if you have to go to a combat zone anyway, you can jumpstart your path to financial independence.

We milbloggers have been writing about this ever since 2002, when servicemembers could start contributing to TSP accounts. It’s more tax-efficient to put CZTE pay in your Roth TSP, but that account has a lower contribution limit.

That tactic became even more mind-numbingly complicated when BRS servicemembers could inadvertently maximize their Roth TSP contributions too early in the year (“front-loading”) and lock themselves out of the DoD BRS match for the rest of the year.

Worst of all: what if you wanted to sign up for Continuation Pay or tack on a bonus contract in the combat zone, and put that tax-exempt money into your TSP?

The TSP’s annual additions limit gives you more room in the traditional TSP (not in the Roth TSP) but before in-service conversions you would eventually have to figure out how to handle a Roth IRA conversion of that bigger traditional TSP account.

Now you can stuff much more money into your traditional TSP ($72K in 2026) and simply do an in-service Roth TSP conversion.

While you’re in a combat zone, your taxable income for the year is going to be much lower. At the same time you’re stuffing CZTE pay into your traditional TSP from your pay deductions, you can also do more in-service Roth TSP conversions with your lower income-tax bracket.

Here’s a CZTE conversion example straight from the TSP’s website:

 

“For uniformed services members with tax-exempt contributions:
If your traditional balance includes a nontaxable amount, such as tax-exempt contributions from serving in a combat zone, your conversion amount will include a nontaxable amount in the same proportion as taxable and nontaxable amounts in your traditional balance. For example, if your traditional balance is $100,000 with a $10,000 nontaxable amount, then 10% of your traditional balance is nontaxable. If you convert $10,000 to your Roth TSP balance, then $9,000 of the conversion amount would be from the taxable portion and $1,000 would be from the nontaxable portion.”

 

What About A Military Pension?

Here’s a few insights paraphrased from a discussion with Air Force vet & CFP Cole Ferrier, who advises clients at EnoughFP.com.

“Military retirees should recognize that probably for the rest of their life, the pension will fill most of the income-tax standard deduction and maybe even more. This means (while you’re still on active duty) it will almost always be a no brainer to contribute to the Roth TSP or convert to the Roth TSP in the 10%/12% tax brackets.
Military retirees don’t have to deal with the Affordable Care Act either, which means they don’t have to worry about their earned income affecting their premium subsidies.
Military families will have to ask themselves if they’ll earn an income after retiring from the military. If so, then on active duty they should consider contributing to the Roth TSP up into the 22% bracket.
If military retirees aren’t going to work after their service (because they have enough income from their military pension & VA disability compensation), then the 22% bracket might be too high.”

I’ll add my usual personal quality-of-life disclaimer to Cole’s excellent financial advice: don’t gut it out to 20 just for the active-duty military pension.

Military families have tremendous human capital and can reach financial independence (on a high savings rate) even without a military pension. When active duty stops feeling challenging & fulfilling, then it’s time to head for the Reserves or National Guard.

 

What About That Affordable Care Act?

Only 15% of military servicemembers reach 20 years for any sort of pension (and cheap Tricare health insurance).

That’s only one out of six people.  As you used to hear during recruit training:  look to your left, look to your right, and over the next two decades you’ll lose at least two people on each side of you.

What about the other 85%? If you don’t have health insurance through the Reserves/Guard or from a civilian employer, then what about those ACA premium subsidies?

Here’s more advice from CFP Cole Ferrier:

“If military families separate for a civilian career in a high-paying job, then consider Roth TSP contributions (in uniform) at whatever income-tax rates are lower than that future career. (Nords opinion: as high as 22%.) Later, in that private sector job, they can stuff their contributions into deductible traditional retirement accounts.
This will give them their military Roth TSP contributions to spend if they still end up retiring early. [Spending those Roth TSP contributions instead of shares from taxable accounts] will help reduce their taxable income on the ACA front and maintain their eligibility for premium subsidies.”

See also Cole’s blog post on the ACA cliff.

If vets without military pensions are going to reach financial independence before being eligible for Medicare (age 65), and they’re going to give up employer health insurance, then consider doing Roth IRA conversions up to the limits of the ACA subsidy cliff.

 

Call To Action (Whew.)

If you’re below the rank of O-4 or E-7, then I strongly recommend contributing to your Roth TSP. In addition, start doing in-service conversions of your traditional TSP to your Roth TSP.

Once you reach O-4 or E-7, do the math. It might still make sense contributing to the Roth TSP (up to the 22% federal income-tax bracket) and continuing to do in-service conversions. This math is especially compelling if you expect to leave the military without a pension (just like 85% of military families).

If you’re in a combat zone, then your Combat Zone Tax-Exempt pay means that your income taxes are the lowest you’ll ever see. Contribute your CZTE pay to your traditional TSP (up to the annual additions limit) and aggressively do in-service conversions up to the 22% income-tax bracket.

When you’re a military vet (but no military pension or Tricare) and if your family will be buying health insurance on the Affordable Care Act, then read CFP Cole Ferrier’s post on the impact of your income on the subsidy cliff. I strongly suggest consulting a health-insurance broker to navigate this gantlet.

 

There are no affiliate links or paid ads in this post.  Try your military base library or local public library before you pay money for these books– in any format.

 

Military Financial Independence on Amazon:

The Military Guide cover
  • Reach your own financial independence
  • Retire on your terms
  • Success stories and personal checklists
  • Royalties donated to military charities

Use this link to order from Amazon.com!

Raising Your Money-Savvy Family on Amazon:

The Money-Savvy Family cover
  • Reach your own financial independence
  • Teach your kids how to manage their money
  • Specific tactics from my adult daughter
  • Checklists and spreadsheets for your family

Use this link to order from Amazon.com!

 

Related articles:
Two new links as of 29 January 2026:
The TSP explains the difference between the Roth TSP and a Roth IRA
(part of an e-mail series on TSP contributions)
The TSP video explaining the in-service conversion process

Reasons To Keep Your TSP Account (Or NOT)
“Should I Invest In The Thrift Savings Plan Or In Taxable Accounts?”
“Our Retirement: The Spending Smile Of Financial Independence”
Early Withdrawals From Your TSP and IRA After The Military
How to Maximize TSP Contributions in a Combat Zone
Transitioning from Active Duty to Reserves Or National Guard

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