Enough– and Abundance


What are you doing with your abundant life?

When you’re saving & investing for financial independence, you’re focused on accumulating enough without sacrificing your quality of life. And if you’re still in the military, then you’re hoping to salvage a reasonable work/life balance.

You’re frugal without being cheap. (You try to avoid deprivation, although the military guarantees that you’ll have to endure it.) You try to align your mindful spending with your values. Your frugality reflects your goal of a sustainable lifestyle.

As you approach your FI, perhaps you’re already emulating Ramit Sethi’s Rich Life by spending extravagantly on the things you love— and cutting costs mercilessly on the things you don’t.

We keenly understand that financial independence also offers FREEDOM!! The freedom to control your time, to pursue your interests, and maybe even to choose challenging & fulfilling work on your terms. You’re seeking an optimal work/life balance, more quality of life, more family time, and less stress.

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But what exactly does your life look like after you reach FI?

We can all recognize our FI lifestyle with ‘enough.’ We all know that the 4% Safe Withdrawal Rate covers the worst-case markets of the last century, and that we can use variable-spending tactics if necessary. (A “failure” of the 4% SWR computer simulation doesn’t mean that we humans will run out of money— only that we might have to change our spending for a year or two during the rest of our lives.) Meanwhile we can all recognize the wealth effect from watching our investments grow.

Yet once our assets grow past ‘enough’, then what do we do with abundance?

Financial advisors report in surveys that as many as 75% of their retired clients don’t spend enough money to match the plan which those clients have already analyzed, built, and approved with their advisor.  Some clients are actually proud that they’re still saving money in their retirement— money which they’ll never need and will only benefit their heirs.

As you might imagine from my last few years of blog posts, retirement spending is a frequent discussion topic among the members of the Millionaire Money Mentors forum. Social media makes millionaires look competitive about spending money, but it’s actually the opposite. Many of the MMM members built their seven-figure wealth from high salaries with low spending, and we’re very good at accumulation.

Unfortunately the skills of building wealth have little to do with using it, which can lead to a scarcity mentality about retirement. We’ll “never earn that much money ever again”, and when we finally retire then we have to “make our assets last for the rest of our lives.” OMG, what if we need that money someday?!?

On the MMM forum, we frequently taunt each other about spending more money. The difference is that it’s not only about consumption— but gifting, philanthropy, and improving our quality of life.

 

Extravagance While You’re Pursuing Financial Independence

Here’s a recent forum question which stopped me in my tracks:
“When you’re living in abundance, do you have any extravagances you can share?!?”

I immediately flashed back to the early 1990s on Oahu, when my spouse and I were raising our toddler. An “extravagance” of those years was at the beach on Hickam Air Force Base, where we could rent a $10 pavilion. We’d stash all of our gear there while we were splashing in the shorebreak. Later we could cool off in the pavilion’s shade.

Don’t get me wrong: back then we were already keenly aware of the line between frugality and deprivation. Shortly after starting our family, we bought our first (used) car with air conditioning. As young adults we’d learned to live without A/C in a tradewind tropical climate, but we rookie parents quickly realized that it was essential to cool off our backseat toddler so that we could all enjoy the ride.

That pavilion splurge turned into a lifestyle expansion. Once we jumped on its hedonic treadmill, if the beach pavilions were sold out then it felt like deprivation when we were ‘stuck’ in full sun on the sand— even with hats and umbrellas.

As of mid-2026, my spouse and I have been retired for 24 years and we’ve reached our mid-60s. Our asset allocation (very high in equities) has grown faster than inflation– while our spending has grown slower than inflation. In addition, my spouse earned her own Reserve pension while I encountered some VA disability compensation. We’ve already had our spending dialed in for decades while our assets continued to ccompound.  Now that we’re in our Medicare years and approaching Social Security, we can see that we’re not spending it fast enough.

We’re certainly not trying to Die With Zero— but we’d rather not die with money that could have been used to improve our lives or the lives of others.

We’re still frugal in some ways (conserving our environmental resources) but we aren’t depriving ourselves. We’re now deep into the abundance mindset.

Spoiler alert: if we do this right, over the next couple decades we’re going to give away another two million dollars.  Along the way we’re going to spend the rest of our money on our entertainment or our self-insured long-term care expenses… in whichever order those happen to us.

 

But What If The Stock Market Tanks?

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You get the point.

Before I share our abundance list, let me emphasize that we’re not stuck in lifestyle expansion. We could temporarily cut back our spending during a prolonged recession like 2000-02 or 2008-09– and in a heartbeat. My spouse and I were on active duty for two decades, and we can play an outstanding frugal defense even if we’re not deployed for months.

Having written that, we have more than enough. Even if the economy crashes into an extreme multi-year recession with a sloooow recovery, we still have enough. This is what happens when you’re 24 years into the 4% Safe Withdrawal Rate on an asset allocation that’s high in equities.

I’ll write about our abundance list and then dive into our ‘extravagances’— many of which we now view as quality of life. They’re ranked roughly in their personal value (to us) or their dollar value.

At the end of the list, we’ll add up the impact on our financial independence. (Another spoiler: not as much impact as I thought.) As we go through our list, you could indulge in the same analysis with your family to see what your abundance might look like during your financial independence.

 

Our Abundance List

Gifting.

Our top priority (in dollars) is gifting our family.

Pragmatically, we’re keeping our assets below our state’s (very low) estate-tax exemption. We’re nudging our progeny toward proficiency at managing ever-larger sums of money. (They’re doing great!) Someday they’ll manage our elder finances for us, and we don’t want them to be stressed by their financial caregiving on our behalf.

Yes, we might be the best parents (and grandparents) ever, yet there’s also our strong element of self-interest. We don’t want to inflict the pain on them that we felt when I had to abruptly take over my father’s finances during his dementia.

Our daughter and son-in-law receive their January gifts by transfers between our brokerage accounts. (So far so good.) The grandkid(s) have their money stashed in the usual places for minors: 529s, 530As, Roth IRAs, and UTMAs. (Gifting can fill up a 529 account very quickly and kids need earned income for their Roth IRA contributions.) Their parents make those decisions until the grandkids reach the age of maturity, but we all keep talking about the options.

My spouse and I are sharing their inheritance with a warm hand while we’re all still around to enjoy it together. We’re also testing whether we really can develop financial literacy in a third or fourth generation of dynastic wealth. I’d like to think that what worked with our daughter would also work with another generation, and I’ll enjoy hanging around long enough to see it happen. Check back here in another 20 years or so.

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We’re frequently asked “What if your descendants spend *your* money on their entertainment, or just waste it?”

We answer that we’re using our abundance as a tool for many age-appropriate discussions about financial literacy, budgeting, financial independence, and dynastic stewardship. We want our progeny to feel their responsibility with less stress. These discussions are far more important than adding a few more percentage points to our net worth.

Besides, once we hand over the money then it’s not ours anymore. Gifting means we give up the right to use our standards to judge people on what they do with their money. We’re happy to discuss it (if they want to) but they make the choices.

The 2026 IRS gift exclusion amount is $19K per gifter per recipient per year. (It rises every few years for inflation.) We’re deliberately spending down our wealth before starting Social Security in 2030 at age 70. We plan to do this for as long as we have reliable pension income and net rental income.

 

Philanthropy.

The second item on our abundance list is giving to charity.  For us, the key to this growth has been quantifying and automating our process.

After a couple decades of experimentation, today this means that each year my spouse and I give away 1% of our net worth.  (This seems sustainable because every year we still have 99% of our net worth left.)  If a bull market drives up our wealth then we give a little more, and if a recession hammers us then… well, we might still give a little more to help those who got hammered even harder than us.

We send appreciated shares and cash to our donor-advised fund, where we can distribute anonymous annual grants to our local foodbank. (I also use our DAF to send all of my writing & speaking revenue to military-friendly charities.) While we send out the grants from the DAF every year, we occasionally bunch our contributions to take advantage of itemizing our deductions.

There are limits on annual charitable deductions, and we’re unlikely to bump up against that number. We’re certainly not interested in giving up our anonymity, let alone plastering our names on a building. Our DAF serves us very well.

 

Extravagance As We Get Older

Our abundance is more than our legacy of gifting & philanthropy. We’re also leaving room for frivolous fun.

It supports our aging bodies, our declining stamina, and our longer recovery times. Most of each category is under $10K/year, and a couple are only a few hundred dollars.  Ironically our least-expensive extravagances deliver almost as much pleasure as the biggest one.

After gifting & philanthropy, here’s the rest of the list.

 

Third: first class airfare.

Whenever we’re flying commercial for longer than a few hours, we buy domestic first class or international business class. That works out to an additional $10K/year. Of course as military retirees we still enjoy the adventure of free military Space-A flights, especially stretched out on the deck of a C-17 cargo jet.

Yet we’re not tempted to go international first class with our own compartment, bed, and shower. A NetJets card is also not on our table.

 

Fourth: air conditioning.

In 2026 we added a $10,700 mini-split system with chillers in our four bedrooms.

This is despite living in a tropical climate, in a house that’s already filled with energy-efficient reflective-foil insulation. Our tropical tradewind breezes deliver plenty of cooling during the summer, but there are a few weeks in September-October where it’s nice to chill out in afternoons and hot nights.

This is a one-time splurge rather than lifestyle expansion. (We’ll clean and maintain the system on our own.)  We’ll eventually add a few more (used, free) solar panels to our roof’s photovoltaic array to cover the extra electricity consumption. So far we’re still producing more power than we consume— our electric bill is $30/month for fees & taxes.

 

Fifth: massage therapy.

I stumbled across this extravagance when our (adult) daughter mentioned that our local physical therapy clinic offers sports-recovery deep-tissue trigger-point massages.

This is not a spa’s fluff & buff experience. This is heavy (steady) pressure by a licensed & experienced massage therapist on the knotted parts of your muscles which are already threatening to go into painful spasms. It releases a muscle’s trigger points and restores my mobility for several weeks.

Most of my massages look like a combination of an anatomy lecture (posture & repetitive motion) while also talking story. When we finish, I’m loosened up and flexible again.

After nearly two years of this routine, I haven’t had a single back or neck injury. I’ve maintained full range of motion in surfing, both on a longboard and a stand-up paddleboard. Even my acetaminophen consumption has dropped off.

Although I could apply to our VA clinic for a prescription (maybe?), the extravagance kicks in because I’m much happier at spending my own discretionary money without the VA’s bureaucracy. The massage therapists are happier too, because they can work on the parts which really need help for that session. They don’t have to document a patient’s progress toward a goal, and they don’t have to keep detailed records. They tell me what I need, and I get what we want.

On Oahu, a sports-therapy recovery massage every two weeks adds up to ~25 one-hour sessions per year at $90 each (including tip) = $2250/year.

Once again, the hedonic treadmill has turned this splurge into a lifestyle expansion. I plan to enjoy this therapy for the rest of my life.

 

Sixth: Slow travel in short-term rentals.

We no longer travel-hack a hotel rewards card, and a furnished 2BR apartment near public transport is perfect for the two of us. Compared to hotels, we spend maybe an extra $2500/year?

For a larger travel party, this might even be cheaper than a hotel. You’re not paying for parking fees, concierge services, or frequent housekeeping. You’re probably living like a local instead of paying resort prices for experiences, food, and beverages. You’re shopping in grocery stores, cooking in a kitchen, and spending more time in a neighborhood with interesting discoveries.

On the other hand, we once blew out our vacation budget by renting a centuries-old historic building in a foreign city where the bathroom’s marble floors are heated by the furnace’s hot-water piping. We did this in Spain’s central Sevilla, just a few blocks from the bullring and the cathedral, with weeks of things to see & do. Those memories are priceless.

My spouse and I don’t care about fine dining, so we think of short-term rentals as sleeping in our version of luxury while cooking for ourselves or eating in pubs.

 

Seventh: staycations.

I know, I know: we’re retirees and we’ve already lived in Hawaii for over half of our lives. Why would we need vacations?

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Surfing Pokai Bay, looking south

It’s a chance to get away from our daily lives by hiding taking a break from our house chores and yardwork at a rustic Oahu beach cabin. (I drafted this blog post in one.) Our favorite military recreation areas are the White Plains Beach cabins (in Kapolei) and Pilila’au Army Recreation Center’s beach cabins on Pokai Bay (in Waianae).

We do this 3-4 nights at a time, every 4-6 months, for an extra $2500/year.

Each time we stay in these beach cabins I update those posts for Poppin’ Smoke. (I guess that’s tax-deductible freelance “research” for travel blogging, but I’m not pushing the limits of my Schedule C income-tax deductions.) Along with enjoying the cabin and the beach, I write about living your financial independence— and I surf both dawn patrol plus sunset sessions for consecutive days.

We’ve even bought a couple of SCUBA dives on a charter boat from the Waianae Boat Harbor. It helps us tune up our skills for longer trips to Guam & Chuuk.

 

Eighth: better surfboards.

Lately when I’m paddling out my stand-up board (a 10-year-old Kazuma carbon-fiber, 9’8″x32″x4.5″, 160 liters) I find myself comparing its round nose to other pin-nose SUPs on my favorite surf break.

While I could do my usual shopping in Kimo’s used-SUP consignment inventory, I’m tempted go full retail on a Naish or a Blue Planet. I’ll still keep the Kazuma to enjoy the differences, but I’ll probably give away my high-performance (narrow & tippy) Aipa SUP.

Judging from the rest of my quiver, I’d use a new SUP for at least 15 years. This would probably cost $2500, but I’ll patiently accumulate more hours of practice (and skill) before I know what I want in a custom shape. Of course I’m happy to let a shaper guide me.

Will I upgrade from there to a hydrofoil board or even an eFoil? Well, that’s not out of the question yet. I’m not ready for one, and I’m not sure I care for the additional effort of rigging & maintaining one. However a hydrofoil board would certainly give my quads & hamstrings the workout needed to support my bone-on-bone knee joints.

The elders at our local surf breaks suggest that in 15 years (in my 80s), I’ll be thrilled to paddle out a longboard or a kayak. Maybe I’ll never get around to a foil.

 

Ninth: airport hotels.

This is recovering from travel in airport hotels… in the airport.

When we fly for conferences, meetups, and slow travel we’ve learned to arrive a day early and stay a day later to recover from jet lag and conference fatigue. (In my 60s, both of those have become significant realities.) It’s one more aspect of slow travel that helps avoid careless mistakes while maintaining our happy morale.

A hotel in the airport also avoids the entire logistics shuffle of “shuttle to the nearby hotel” and then “shuttle back to the airport”, the competition for shuttle seat signups, the waits at shuttle stops, and the inevitable traffic jams between lodging and airports. On slow travel it gives us a day to get oriented to our new location and scout out our AirBnB.

When your hotel’s already in the airport, you only have to walk an extra terminal from the airport arrival gate into the airport hotel lobby… and the next day, from the hotel to the airline’s check-in kiosk. Running late is not a problem.

It’s also better if I’m renting a car for that trip, because the rental garage is frequently close to the airport hotel. I’m even happier if we can use public transportation, and the airport is an easy stop.

I’m already spending the money to stay in a conference hotel or somewhere near the airport. This extravagance costs maybe an extra $1000/year?

 

Tenth: Skip the counter at the car rental.

After years of experimentation, I’ve settled on Hertz’s Gold Club rental cars. I still rent a car once or twice a year on the Mainland (mostly for financial conferences or meetups), and the Gold club means I can skip the counter. I can go straight from the airport to the rental lot and look for my name on the scoreboard. Sometimes the sedan that I reserved is parked in slot N82, and other times it’s “Pick anything you like from the President’s Row.”

This is a ridiculous luxury and probably costs me an extra $100 per rental, but the elimination of friction & hassle is priceless. There are no counter crowds or upsells, and I’m on the road at least 30 minutes faster.

Pro tip for you retirees flying military Space A: when we’re traveling through military passenger terminals we still use Enterprise rental cars. It was founded by a veteran who understands what we want for Space A roll calls. Most of the franchises still let you park their rental at the passenger terminal and then (after you’re on the flight manifest) put the keys in their drop box. I’ve called Enterprise many times from my seat in the jet as it taxies onto the runway for takeoff. Joint Base Hickam Pearl Harbor even has a Sixt franchise desk in their passenger terminal.

We estimate the Hertz Gold Club extravagance at $500/year.

 

Eleventh: boutique coffee.

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Personal-finance meetups held here.

Green World Coffee is a unique coffee shop in a decrepit 1960s pineapple warehouse a mile north of Wahiawa. They have coffee trees next to their parking lot, and they buy more beans from the farm on the hills along the road to Waialua.

It’s an awesome location for a business, and I smile every time I see the full parking lot. It’s only a few minutes away from my house, and it sits astride two of the most heavily-used highways between the North Shore & Central Oahu. (For example, on the way home after winter surfing at Haleiwa.) I try to avoid dropping in if there’s a visitor tour bus, but Green World has plenty of seating and they serve great coffee. I can always come back when the crowd dissipates.

Green World’s ground Kona makes a nice change from robusta beans. (I also drink French roast brands from Costco, Starbucks, or Peet’s.) I’m still in the stage of my life where it’s strong & black out of a Mr. Coffee machine, without enhancements like espresso or cappuccino brews. Yet I’m proficient with a French press or a moka pot too.

Green World is even more fun when our family hangs out there, and I enjoy watching our granddaughter chase around the feral chickens.

And yeah, 40 years ago I didn’t anticipate this ludicrous aesthetic. On sea duty I was swilling submarine engineroom coffee that boiled down in a five-gallon canister for the entire midwatch.

Buying two pounds of beans never seems to cost less than $60, and I buy there several times per year for a total of around $300/year.

 

12th and finally: Bandwidth.

When I have to buy bandwidth in airports, airplanes, or hotels then I’ll pay up for the faster speeds. (I don’t want to wait for Facebook to catch up with my photo uploads.) I frequently get upgraded for free with a Hilton or Marriott app, but I’m happy to pay.

This simple convenience is maybe an extra $100/year.

 

“Right, Nords, But What About Your Housecleaner?!?”

It’s complicated– we’ve experimented with this for three decades.

We started our family in 1992 while both of us were on active duty. In 1995, in a home that had become disgustingly disorganized & dirty, we admitted toddler-parenting defeat and hired a housecleaner. Life immediately got better, and our saved time went right back into more parenting.

We did this at the same time we were losing thousands of dollars per year on rent (beyond our housing allowance n San Diego) and in our net rental-property income (during a 1990s real-estate recession on Oahu).

In 2003 (back on Oahu, a year after I retired from active duty) we decided to try to clean our own house again. (This time our daughter was a teen, and she was much more help!) Our ambition lasted all the way up until late 2011 when we finished a familyroom renovation.  We’d kept up with the cleaning around the construction site in the back of our home, while the rest of our home had gradually become covered in red dirt and drywall dust. We hired a housecleaner to help us “catch up”, and we quickly realized how much this improved our morale.

In 2019 our housecleaner quit the business, and we tried to do our own again. As empty nesters, we keep our home neat & organized– but we suck at cleaning horizontal surfaces. This time we only lasted a few years before hiring a new one.

We’ve learned that we’d rather outsource the housecleaning to let us do our own yardwork and home maintenance. It’s proven much easier to find a good weekly housecleaner than to hire a reliable weekly yard crew– let alone a handyman. We’re absolutely trading money for time, but the housecleaner is the least-expensive option. While they’re working in the house, we’re working on the house’s exterior and the yard.

We’re spending ~$5000/year on a housecleaner, and it’s moved from an extravagance to an essential expense. It’s the last bill we’d cut during another Great Recession, too.

 

What’s The Cost Of The Gifting And Philanthropy?

Gifting: over the next five years, we’re gifting approximately $800K of (advance) inheritance to our progeny. Our second grandchild, arriving in early 2027, is part of this amount.

(Sidebar:  In a savage twist of irony, that’s still less than the life energy I burned on gutting it out to 20 for an active-duty pension.  My fear, ignorance, and chronic fatigue kept me from exploring my options in the Reserves & National Guard, and that came with a high price tag.)

We feel strongly that young adults benefit from receiving a portion of their inheritance in their 20s & 30s— especially when the alternative is a dumpster-load of dollars in their 60s or 70s. We raised our daughter with an extensive curriculum of financial literacy (I can hear her rolling her eyes from here) and now she & her spouse are doing the same in their parenting.

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Wait! Build your financial literacy first.

If I’d been gifted tens of thousands of dollars as a teen, I certainly know what I would have done (in my negligible financial literacy) with that much money dumped on my head. We grandparents see it as our job (“We have one job!”) to develop our grandkids’ financial literacy (in age-appropriate ways) to guide them to better choices than we did. Fortunately for them, my childhood financial literacy sets a very low bar.

They’re all going to get this money through gifting (while we’re alive) or inheritance (much later). We feel that it’s most useful when we can talk about the options (no judging!) instead of attempting to control their decisions from our wills or trusts.

In 2031 we’ll take another look at our gifting plan.  Maybe we’ll keep it up, maybe we’ll change the amounts, or maybe we’ll find another place for the money.  Even when you’re in your 60s (and reminded of the mortality of your parents), this is very much a personal experiment in learning how to *let go.*

I have to admit that it just makes me tired to think about designing a system of pulling on those paperwork purse strings after I’m dead. I’d rather talk about personal finances and stewardship while we’re alive. (I write about these topics in my family e-mails titled “GrandDoug’s Weekend Links.”) I’ll still leave behind a financial love letter after I’m dead, but… I’ll be dead.

 

Philanthropy: during the rest of our lives, our 1%/year looks like about $35K/year (today’s dollars) for at least the next 20 years.

Because we’re chronic optimizers, this year we’ve learned to coordinate our DAF’s grant to our foodbank with their annual Food Day matching campaign. Our donation is working twice as hard from other donors matching our grant.

I might be a little competitive about our philanthropy, but this seems like the right outlet for that behavior.

 

“What’s The Cost Of All This Extravagance?”

We’ll separate the accounting into one-time splurges and lifestyle expansion.

Our air-conditioning comfort and my surfboard enthusiasm add up to a splurge of $13,200. That’s a fraction of our annual gifting & philanthropy, and a rounding error on our net worth.

We’ve still budgeted for essential lumpy expenses. We’ll continue to take care of our home (and maybe add a new roof?), and we’ll probably still buy a new-to-us used auto every decade or so. (I might only drive for another 10-15 years before switching to UberLongboard.)  Alongside the long-term maintenance expenses, these splurges seem reasonable.

On the other hand, we’ve all been warned about the dangers of lifestyle expansion. How much longer can we continue our splurging frivolity before we’re in danger of rationing our Social Security deposits and dumpster-diving for our food?

Woah: that total is $19,150/year.

But wait, that’s also a fraction of our annual gifting and our philanthropy. If we keep up that lifestyle expansion during the next 20 years then we’re looking at nearly $385K in today’s dollars.

I can’t help but notice that much of our lifestyle expansion is related to travel, which (unfortunately) won’t go on forever. Travel expenses can be a challenge during our go-go years, but I already see our slow-go years creeping up over our horizon. 20 years from now in 2046 I’ll be… yikes, 85 years old… and I suspect that by then I’ll be closer to my no-go years.

 

Your Call To Action

While you’re on your path to financial independence, then keep going. (Even when it’s in the boring middle.) Focus on your own work/life balance, your quality of life, and your values. Don’t compare your journey to this blog post or to other people.

When you’re close to financial independence, it’s time to think about your own ‘enough’ and abundance lists. Budget for your stewardship (like gifting your family or donating 1% of your net worth each year to charity) and consider sharing any inheritance while you’re still alive.

You already know what you’d do if you encountered a nasty recession. Catastrophizing is a necessary mental & emotional exercise for planning how you’ll get through tough times, but when you’re near FI then you’re also much more resilient. If you’re not using the 4% Safe Withdrawal Rate then you can still check your guardrails on your spending.

Next, plan for your fun! In your abundance, where would you splurge? What would you spend every year (while you still can) to expand your lifestyle? You don’t have to share your personal lives here (unless you want to) but feel free to call me out in the comments on anything I’ve overlooked.

 

 

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What It Feels Like To Give Away $2M After Financial Independence
Rob Berger’s Financial Love Letter (5:15 in the video)

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Roth IRA Conversions: Before It’s Too Late?


 

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How a Roth IRA conversion feels?

Along your path to financial independence, have you ever contemplated doing Roth IRA conversions in your 32% income-tax bracket today— simply because (later in life) it’d save you money over taking Required Minimum Distributions in the 35% bracket?

Yeah, me neither.

Yet a couple of years ago I had the conversation with a member of the Millionaire Money Mentors forum who was earning a very high salary. They understand exponential compounding math, and they also planned to work (challenged & fulfilled!) into their 40s or early 50s. This concerned them about RMDs in their 70s, and they were considering Roth IRA conversions in their 30s. Despite that huge salary, when we considered the compounding math then the 32% income-tax bracket made sense.

I’ve also listened to wealthy retirees in their late 60s who are stunned by how much their retirement accounts have compounded in the last decade. Exponential growth is much less noticeable in your 20s and 30s with balances under $500K. Yet once those balances approach seven figures and then double every 7-10 years, suddenly you’re projecting RMDs at age 75 from accounts of $8M or even higher.

Here’s a more relatable example for military families in the Blended Retirement System.

When BRS families contribute to their Thrift Savings Plan accounts, they’re also piling up the Dept of Defense’s matching contributions in their traditional TSPs. They can do in-service Roth TSP conversions when it makes sense (especially when earning Combat Zone Tax-Exempt pay).  Once they separate from service, they can also roll that TSP over to a traditional IRA and start Roth IRA conversions.

But here’s the problem: if you have a high military income (O-5, E-8, specialty pay, bonuses) or if you start a lucrative bridge career after the military, then it doesn’t make much sense to try to pull off a Roth IRA conversion while you’re pulling in all of that taxable income.

Your higher salary means that you’ll be paying taxes in a higher bracket. That’s especially the case for active-duty military retirees with (taxable) pension deposits. It even affects Reserve or National Guard retirees in their 60s who’ve started their military pensions.

If you quit your paid employment as soon as you reach financial independence in your 40s or 50s, the thought of RMDs in your 70s is still very difficult to visualize. Nobody wants to pay taxes today, but the federal government knows that exponential compounding is relentless. (Their actuaries are paid to do math!) The U.S. Treasury can patiently wait until Older You has been backed into a corner by your financial success.

It seems there’s never a good time to start a Roth IRA conversion. In this post, I’ll cover a number of situations that are especially good times (or bad times) for Roth IRA conversions, and maybe you can jumpstart yours now– before it’s too late.

 

What’s Your Time Worth?

Before we dig into the details of this challenge, here’s a bigger question: is the money worth your time or your effort?

Sure, you want to pay lower income taxes whenever you can. How hard are you willing to work to avoid those higher taxes?

Let’s break it down into three opportunities in uniform, and two more opportunities after military service. A couple of these might not even be applicable to your life plans.

 

Worth Your Time To Convert While You’re In Uniform: Three Opportunities

Maybe the easiest method is paying taxes up front– when you pay lower taxes, or earn the income in your younger years, or with a smaller salary– instead of deferring those taxes for decades of compounding. Congress and the IRS have designed the laws to psychologically encourage you to wait until you’re older, but that’s because the exponential compounding helps the tax code work in their favor.

1.) While You’re Paying Lower Taxes

Image of cartridges in a bandolier on top of a hundred-dollar bill representing the concept of military families making Roth IRA contributions now instead of doing Roth IRA conversions later. | MilitaryFinancialIndependence.com

Shoot a silver bullet now.

Your first opportunity is that active-duty military families are very lightly taxed compared to their civilian equivalents.  Not only are they in lower income-tax brackets– they’re frequently eligible for child tax credits, the Earned Income Tax Credit, education credits, energy-efficiency credits, and electric vehicle credits.

Tax credits make it easier to pay zero income taxes, and these credits phase out quickly as income rises. (If you’re an active-duty family then please trust me on this one– or talk with a vet or a civilian friend about their income taxes after the military.) Instead of trying to take a large income-tax deduction on active duty in a traditional retirement account, maybe it makes sense to pay a small amount of income taxes during your career (up through E-7 or O-4) by contributing to Roth retirement accounts. You’ll simplify your life now, and you’ll avoid a larger Roth IRA conversion tax later.

2.) While You’re Earning Combat Zone Tax-Exempt Pay

Second, if you end up earning CZTE pay then it makes sense to fill up at least your income-tax standard deduction with an in-service Roth TSP conversion— even if you’re trying to contributing up to the Annual Additions Limit in your traditional TSP. This quickly gets complicated, so read that link and its related posts to learn the details.

3.) While You’re Leaving Active Duty

Third:  in the distant future, do you know where you want to live after the military? While you’re on active duty (and perhaps not paying state income taxes), then you’re also not paying state taxes on contributions to your Roth TSP and your Roth IRA.

After you leave active duty, if you think you’ll be in a state with low income taxes then maybe you don’t care very much about Roth IRA conversions.

However if you’re planning to live in a state with higher income taxes (because family, climate, or outdoor lifestyle) then you might be very motivated to contribute to Roth accounts now– or to do Roth IRA conversions before you move to a state with higher taxes.

 

Worth Your Time For A Lot Of Money (After The Military)

How much tax will you avoid with the time & effort you spend on your Roth IRA conversions? If it’s $82 then you might not care. $1000? Well, now you’re thinking about putting in an hour or two on the project. $10K? Heck yeah, that’s a fantasy family vacation.

Everyone enjoys saving $10K in a year, but what if that $10K is the total saved over 10 years? Is it still worth doing Roth IRA conversions for that amount of long-term savings? You’ll have to decide whether the math makes a compelling case for jumping through those hoops every year over the long term.

While the amount of a Required Minimum Distribution in your 70s can look like a very painful (taxable) withdrawal, the only number that counts is your income tax that you’d pay on the RMD. If you have a smaller RMD (within your tax return’s standard deduction), or if you have a larger list of itemized deductions, then your RMD might not be taxed at all.

Even after you use all of the Roth IRA conversion calculators (see the Related Articles at the end of this post) you still might not have a clear answer. In that case you could do small annual Roth IRA conversions (up to the standard income-tax deduction) or combine Roth IRA conversions with large charitable donations. Which brings us to the final question about your time:

 

Worth Your Time For Philanthropy (After The Military)

Do you plan to donate to charities while you’re saving & investing for your financial independence? Will you ramp up your philanthropy after you reach FI?  In that case you could take some of your RMDs as Qualified Charitable Distributions and avoid paying income taxes on them.

It’s hard to visualize QCDs in your 70s when you’re in your 20s. However if you’re a younger adult who feels strongly about tithing your income now, or you’re practicing effective altruism, then you’re highly likely to continue that practice for the rest of your life.

QCDs are also a consolation prize for people who’ve run out of time to do Roth IRA conversions.

Finally, if there’s any good news about RMDs in your 70s, they’re easier to calculate and automate than ever before. (Especially if you’re faced with health challenges or declining cognition.) Your IRA custodian will be very helpful with amounts, reminders, and income-tax withholding. Recent changes to the tax code have greatly reduced penalties for incorrect RMDs.

If you project that your RMDs will be smaller and more manageable, then maybe you just don’t care about complicating your life with annual Roth IRA conversions.

Do your math. Find a comprehensive Roth IRA conversion calculator, or consult a financial planner who specializes in advising military families.

 

Winning At Whack-A-Mole With The Income-Tax Variables

The hardest part of planning Roth IRA conversions is pushing on one part of your income-tax return– and watching a financial surprise pop up on a different part.

We have to:

    • predict our income-tax brackets for the rest of our lives,
    • forecast the exponential compounding of our traditional IRAs & traditional 401(k)s for RMDs,
    • execute Roth IRA conversions in the optimal income-tax brackets during those phases of our lives, and
    • know when we’re going to die… so that our surviving spouse isn’t forced into a higher income-tax bracket when our death moves them from Married Filing Jointly to Single.

But we also have to:

    •  manage our Modified Adjusted Gross Income for health insurance premiums with the Affordable Care Act (before starting Medicare),
    • manage our Adjusted Gross Income for college financial aid (and educational tax credits),
    • manage our AGI to pay capital gains taxes at the 0% bracket instead of 15-20% or even higher,
    • manage our MAGI to avoid Net Investment Income Tax,
    • include our starting date of Social Security in our tax planning,
    • manage our MAGI with Medicare to avoid each year of IRMAA on our Part B premiums,
    • have a plan for Qualified Charitable Distributions starting at age 70.5, and
    • decide whether our heirs want to pay their own income taxes on our inherited traditional IRA, or zero income taxes on our inherited Roth IRA.

You read that last bullet correctly. The tax code can make your heirs pay income taxes on your money— for years after you’re dead.

There’s a very good reason that Ed Slott (a CPA and author) has made a 50-year career out of calling traditional retirement accounts “tax bombs and has a site using the words “IRA Help.”

Mr. Slott advocates Roth IRA conversions into the 24% income-tax bracket simply to avoid even higher taxes in your 60s and 70s. These are mostly retirees who (for their own many good reasons) didn’t accurately forecast how exponential compounding would take off in their traditional 401(k)s and IRAs. At the Bogleheads 2025 conference we watched Mr. Slott share that with a bunch of older people (including me!).  The younger people in the Bogleheads audience were skeptical, but the older folks were nodding right along with Ed.

 

How High Can Our Income Taxes Go?!?

You’re not going to like reading this about RMDs in your 70s: if you have a significant amount of other taxable income (pensions, dividends & interest, capital gains, rental-property income, Social Security) then that first withdrawal could slam you smartly into the 24% income-tax bracket.

To clarify, that’s a marginal bracket. Only your income above the threshold of the 24% bracket is taxed at that rate. Income below that is still taxed in its appropriate brackets of 0%, 10%, 12%, or 22%… and maybe some long-term capital gains at 15%.

However other taxes can start piling on top: Social Security deposits become subject to income tax, Medicare Part B premiums jump higher for a year of IRMAA, and a few dollars might be taxed at the 3.8% rate for NIIT.

There’s another insidious tax that you might never see coming: families who buy health insurance on an Affordable Care Act exchange have to account for the impact of Roth IRA conversions on their ACA premium subsidies. (This is not an issue for military families with Tricare– or for most employer insurance.) If your income goes even a dollar above the subsidy limit then you could lose tens of thousands of dollars in that year’s tax credits.

 

The Widow’s Tax

The financial media loves to alarm audiences with their hysterical attention to inheriting a traditional IRA from your (deceased) spouse.  In defense (not much) of the media, the Widow(er)’s Tax makes a great soundbite.

Well, how bad is this situation?

Of course the emotions are far worse than the finances.  The surviving spouse is already dealing with one of life’s greatest stresses from the loss of a life companion.  Piling on RMDs is one more insult to the rest of the financial injuries.

Is it worth avoiding this extra pain after death by doing Roth IRA conversions while you’re both still alive?  How much money are you willing to spend now to save money after one of you is gone?  Will it significantly affect your finances either way?

Let’s look at just one of many examples of the Widow’s Tax.

Here’s a partial screenshot of Fidelity’s table of 2026 income-tax brackets built from the IRS website.  (You can see the full table at that link.)  Note that a couple with $95K of taxable income (not gross income!) would be approaching the top of the 12% MFJ income-tax bracket.  If one of the couple passes away, and if their retiree income remains the same in the next tax year, then that $95K is well into the 22% Single category.

10 percentage points of tax brackets looks like a pretty big hammer!  But what’s the dollar difference?  As a married couple they were paying:

10% x $24,800 + 12% x ($95,000-$24801) = $10,904.

Now the surviving spouse is paying:

10% x $12,400 + 12% x ($50,400-$12,401) + 22% x ($95,000 – $50,401) =  $15,612.

In this situation, the widow’s tax is $4708 per year… assuming that the taxable income did not drop after the first spouse’s death.  If that’s still $95K then the widow’s tax went up by 43%.

10 percentage points and 43% are pretty scary numbers.  But if your widowed tax bill (after deductions!) is $4708 higher, will you wish that you’d spent your money on Roth IRA conversions earlier in your lives together?

Personally, I feel that the death of a spouse is one of the worst life experiences that we could ever have.  Financially, though, the actual dollars of the widow’s tax might not be as painful as the media’s tax-bracket graphics would indicate.

If you’re a visual learner whose eyeballs glazed over at those numbers, please watch Sean Mullaney’s video at that link.

These numbers are highly dependent on your individual situations.  If you’re the spouse who does the spreadsheets, then crunch the numbers before you decide about Roth IRA conversions.  Use your taxable incomes before & after the first spouse dies (unlike the above example, they’ll probably be very different), your age differences, your RMD differences, and all of your other parameters.

You can read more of this analysis at Cody Garrett’s and Sean Mullaney’s outstanding book, Tax Planning To and Through Early Retirement.  By the time you follow their examples and check your own math, you might decide that avoiding the widow’s tax with Roth IRA conversions is not worth your time.

At least one of you might feel that you’d rather spend that money on each other (while you’re both still alive to enjoy it together) instead of paying taxes on Roth IRA conversions.

 

“What About Proposed Legislation And Political Risk?”

This post focuses on the parameters you can control:

  • Your asset allocation (traditional or Roth retirement accounts with stocks, bonds, or real estate)
  • Your savings rate (how much you put in those accounts), and
  • Your expense ratios (index funds with low expenses).

Political risk is beyond your control. Sure, you can try to steer it a little through investor activism, and that’s worth your efforts if you find it challenging & fulfilling in a sustainable manner. Otherwise you’d waste a tremendous amount of life energy and mental bandwidth on worrying about the latest speculation from the financial media’s frantic 24/7 news cycle.

If there’s any consolation to this loss of control, it’s the checks & balances of American government. If you choose a financial decision like a Roth IRA conversion, and the laws behind that decision are later amended, then you’re likely to be grandfathered on your previous actions. History has shown that you won’t be (financially) punished twice for that choice… although it might take months of lawsuits before the final decisions are official.

When you’ve done the math to decide whether it’s worth your time & effort to do a Roth IRA conversion, then you’re right. Get it done at the right time instead of waiting for the perfect time.

 

“Remind Me Again:  Why Roth IRA Conversions?!?”

You’re trying to:

  • Pay lower income taxes now instead of higher income taxes later.
  • Simplify your finances in your elder years by avoiding RMDs and QCDs.
  • Pay income taxes on your traditional retirement accounts so that your surviving spouse doesn’t have to.
  • Pay income taxes on your traditional retirement accounts so that your heirs don’t have to.

 

How My Spouse And I Did Roth IRA Conversions:

We’re done! We finished this project eight years ago.

My spouse and I can do math, and I’m a financial nerd who enjoys optimizing. We’ve saved tens of thousands of tax dollars during our decades.

More importantly, our emotions of behavioral financial psychology have been incredibly powerful. It was a tremendous relief to do the analysis and then simplify our lives. It’s not just about my stress levels in my elder years. Someday when my spouse and our daughter are running our finances, they’ll also be tremendously relieved at not having to deal with our issues.

I’ll share what we did so that you can decide whether it helps your finances too.

First, in 2002 we were already financially independent when I retired from active duty. Instead of starting a typical post-military bridge career, I stopped working for paychecks. It wasn’t just about “working for The Man” or starting my own business. I simply didn’t want to trade any more of my life energy for money that I wouldn’t need. Besides: family, surfing, and slow travel.

After I retired, our taxable income plunged. I haven’t received a W-2 in over two decades, and my only 1099s have been for book royalties or my pension.

Unfortunately for our retirement accounts, most of our contributions went to traditional (tax-deferred) IRAs. Roth IRAs were only created in 1997, and we did what we could for a few years. The Thrift Savings Plan was only made available to military servicemembers in January 2002 (five months before I retired). The Roth TSP didn’t even start rolling out until 2012, years after we ended our TSP contributions.

My spouse and I had spent two decades maximizing our traditional IRA contributions, and she had a few years of traditional TSP contributions from Reserve drill weekends.

The vast majority of our investments ended up in taxable accounts, and we wanted to spend those down in a tax-efficient manner. We had plenty of room for minimizing our long-term capital-gains taxes by selling shares when it made sense, and we saw no reason to tap our traditional retirement accounts for early withdrawals before age 59.5.

I was 41 years old when I retired from active duty, and I projected three decades of growth in those traditional retirement accounts to our RMDs. When I added in the income taxes on my pension and our (someday) Social Security, I was not happy. When I discovered IRMAA I was even more annoyed.

Our game of Whack-A-Mole was just starting, and the hammers were flying.

Under the tax laws back then, we already knew we’d have to start RMDs in 2031 when I turned age 70.5. We’d have 28 years to finish Roth IRA conversions. We could try that.

In 2003 we started small annual incremental Roth IRA conversions. Each one depended on our estimated AGI as well as our deductions (standard or itemized) and any tax credits (solar power! energy-efficient windows!).

In 2004 the TSP kicked me out of the system because I’d only contributed for a few months before my 2002 retirement. (I rolled their check into my traditional IRA.) We continued converting my traditional IRA account to a Roth IRA, and then slowly did the same with my spouse’s traditional IRA. Finally we rolled her TSP into her (empty) IRA and finished those Roth IRA conversions.

Some years we moved $20K (a pro-rata combination of deductible contributions, non-deductible contributions, and growth) while other years we skipped the conversions in order to tweak our adjusted gross income. (Our daughter’s university still laughed at our FAFSA application and declined to offer any financial aid.) During 2004-07 our traditional retirement accounts grew faster than our conversions. The Great Recession gave us lots of capital losses, tax deductions, and tax credits.

In 2007 my spouse qualified for her Reserve pension that would start in 2021. As we celebrated her achievement, I also had to overhaul our entire conversion timeline. Her hard-earned success had whacked a decade out of our Roth IRA conversion deadline. We knew that her pension would launch us right into the 25% federal income-tax bracket, and we’d never see 15% ever again.

Regardless of her new deadline, it was a compelling case for a Roth IRA conversion. Reducing the taxes on our IRAs today by 10 percentage points on their smaller value, instead of after decades of compounding? Never having to calculate and track RMDs? Using tax-free Roth IRA withdrawals to manage our taxable income for the rest of our lives?

Totally worth our effort. We knew we needed to pay smaller taxes now to permanently simplify our tax bills.

Before 2017, our Roth IRA conversions filled up the old 15% federal income-tax bracket. In 2017, due to the new (unexpected!) political risk of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, I was supremely annoyed that we could now fill up the 12% income-tax bracket. Should I have waited for even bigger tax cuts?

When I did the math on those three percentage points, though, it turned out that we were still winning. We would have been taxed in lower *brackets* by waiting until after 2017, but we would have still paid more dollars on 14 years of higher compound growth.

Better yet, our new goal was finishing Roth IRA conversions before spending the rest of our lives in the TCJA’s 22% income-tax bracket instead of 25%. We were still winning.

We finished our 16 years of small annual Roth IRA conversions on our 2018 income-tax returns. We paid all of those conversion taxes from our taxable accounts, leaving more money in our Roth IRAs.

I was 57 years old by the time we finished, and we never needed to tap even the contributions to our Roth IRAs– let alone withdraw any of the converted funds or start a 72(t) withdrawal plan.

When my spouse’s Reserve pension started, our income taxes exploded in a very good way.  Today we send more revenue to the U.S. Treasury than ever before, but it’s a lot lower than it could have been.

We’re still bumping up against the top of the 22% income-tax bracket. We’re giving it away as fast as we can (philanthropy and family gifting), and we’re delaying our Social Security until age 70. When we start SS then we’ll be in the 24% income-tax bracket and we’ll pay IRMAA on our Medicare premiums— for the rest of our lives.

The federal government is very patient. Their actuaries do more math than we ever will, and they’ll be happy to collect our income taxes for the rest of our (hopefully) very long lives. I’m glad we won’t have to pay a bigger bill.

 

Your Call To Action

Figure out where you could pay less taxes now rather than more taxes later.

Consider which plan works for your situation, especially if you’re buying health insurance through the ACA and saving money with premium tax credits.

Review the variables listed in the Whack-A-Mole section above and analyze out how they’ll hammer you.

If you’re just starting your career, or you’re in your 20s/30s with lower income, then you’ll still enjoy lower income-tax brackets and maybe a few tax credits. It might make sense to pass up the temptations of tax deductions & deferrals in traditional retirement accounts, and make all of your contributions into your Roth accounts.

It still hurts to pay income taxes now by contributing to Roth 401(k)s, Roth TSPs, and Roth IRAs– but paying those lower taxes today could save you even more pain of much higher income taxes in your 70s.

When you’re on military active duty then you’re already lightly taxed. You will probably pay lower taxes now by contributing to Roth retirement accounts instead of deferring taxes in traditional retirement accounts.

Read through the math examples in Cody Garrett’s & Sean Mullaney’s book
“Tax Planning To and Through Early Retirement” as well as Fritz Gilbert’s blog post about the “Golden Age of Roth Conversions”.

For you visual learners, watch Ed Slott’s video and reflect on where your compounding in your traditional retirement accounts could put you in your 60s– just as you’re signing up for Medicare and Social Security.

Do your math– or hire a CFP, CPA, or EA from the Military Financial Advisors Association (with the MQFP certification) to charge you a flat fee to go over your math.

Decide whether Roth IRA conversions are worth your time & effort. If you think your lifetime income taxes will work out about the same either way, then congratulations! You’ve optimized one of the most complicated parts of the tax code, and you don’t have to worry about Roth IRA conversions. Relax and enjoy your financial freedom.

Contact me (or comment below) with more questions. I’m not a financial planner but I’ve learned a lot of the answers, and I can guide you to the right resources.

 

 

 

 

There are no affiliate links or paid ads in this post.  Try your military base library or local public library before you pay money for these books– in any format.

 

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  • Success stories and personal checklists
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Related articles:
RetireSmartIRA
Dinkytown Roth IRA conversion calculations for hardcore math nerds like me.  (Remember to include your state & local income taxes!)
Maxifi
Tax Planning To and Through Early Retirement by Cody Garrett and Sean Mullaney.
Ed Slott’s “The Retirement Savings Time Bomb Ticks Louder”
Ed Slott’s video at Bogleheads 2025
Avoiding The ACA Subsidy Cliff
The Golden Age of Roth Conversions
The Widow’s Tax Trap And RMDs
Roth TSP conversion calculator from Military Money Manual
Is All the Hype Around Roth IRA Conversions Justified? (and how Pralana Gold might help).
Another perspective from Jim Dahle at White Coat Investor:
Don’t Roth All of Your 401(k) Money

 

 

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Five questions– and lessons learned– for future authors


 

 

How do you feel about the idea of writing & publishing your book?  Nervous?  Feeling the Imposter Syndrome?

Over a decade ago, I wrote a few posts on the topic. Back then my first book on financial independence was selling well, and my daughter was working with me on my second. (Frankly, I was scrambling to keep up with her weekly word count.) Our readers like what we wrote (and recorded), and we’re both changing lives. Writing a book with her is one of the highlights of my life.

Also back then, the traditional publishing industry was still stumbling in zombified shock as hybrid publishers and indie publishers disrupted the gatekeepers. Blogging was still the wave of the future, and we were recording audiobooks with our podcast mics. The industry couldn’t even spell AI yet.

A few months ago, a founder of The 1% Better Conference asked:

“I’m curious about the book writing process if you don’t mind sharing. I know people have coaches, editors, agents, graphic designers, marketers, etc. There’s the traditional, self, and hybrid publishers. There’s also print, E-books, and audiobooks.
Did you get any help throughout the process?
Did you wish you would have had help with any part of the process?”

Wow, do I have thoughts.

First, I gratefully accepted a ton of help with writing & publishing. (No author writes alone, not even bestsellers.) In addition, my years of submarine service have given me a very thick skin for reviews (by shipmates & inspection teams) of all aspects of our jobs.

I don’t need my thick skin with editors or publishers, but my military experience helped me welcome their feedback. It not only makes my words better– it makes my writing more efficient in my preferred style.

Second, on the coaching side of helping writers, I greatly enjoy MK Williams’ books in her “Author Your Ambition” series. She also has a comprehensive YouTube channel that answers every question about writing & publishing. She helped Carol and I turn our book into reality, and it was the best author’s experience I’ve had so far. I’m giving her (and ChooseFI) the first look at my future manuscripts.

Finally, as far as the support team: when you choose an editor (perhaps freelance, perhaps part of a small publishing arm like ChooseFI or BiggerPockets) they’ll take care of hiring the different editors & graphic designers. They’ll also work on each of the formats– for example hiring an audio engineer for the audiobook.

Yet we authors are still generally left to handle our marketing, even with a traditional publisher.

Coincidentally, after answering those questions I got another query from Kate Horrell, who’s written a few books of her own:

“I’m doing a presentation at MilMoneyCon on writing and publishing a book. I’m gathering the experiences from a wide variety of authors so that I can present a wide variety of perspectives.
Would you be willing to answer a few written questions?”

I realized that I’ve learned lessons from three books. (I’m still writing the third one.) I looked back through my site and found that I’ve already written eight posts about blogs & books. (Those related articles are at the bottom of this post.) Now I’ll share my answers to Kate’s questions– here we go again!

 

TL; DR: BLUF

Here’s a summary of the rest of this post:
– Your publishing “Why?” is far more important than your “how.”

– Consistent writing requires internal motivation. Writing for external validation is unsustainable. Write because you have something to say– especially if you can’t shut up about it.

– An audience of military servicemembers (and their families) is about 1% of the America population. Veterans (and their families) are at least 10%.

– Writing your first book establishes your credibility.

– If you’re a financial advisor, your book is your gateway to your ideal clients finding you– and then buying your services.

– Writing books full-time is a career you have to save up for. Your living expenses come from a consistent & sustainable backlist of at least a dozen titles.

– I prefer writing the entire manuscript before approaching editors or publishers. (It avoids deadline stress.) Today I’d outline a book as an editorial calendar on a blog, and write the manuscript from a series of blog posts.

– Back in 2009, if I couldn’t find a traditional publisher for my first book then self-publishing would be Plan B.
Today, in my mind, hybrid publishing is my default for the paper, eBook, and audio editions. Self-publishing would be Plan B. The publishing feedback, education, and resources which used to be hoarded by traditional publishers are all now on the Internet. If a traditional publisher wants to pick up my backlist, then they know where to find me.

– Your publishing choices for your second book depend on the success of your first book. You can always self-publish, but consider hybrid publishing with a website or channel that already has a large group of your target audience.

– Self-publishing and hybrid publishing offer more real-time sales feedback (and more marketing options) than traditional publishing.

– Encourage your audience to try your book from the public library before they buy. This builds trust, and they’ll buy it to add their own notes– or they’ll buy it simply to say “Thank you!”

– The more audience questions that you answer on social media and in meetups, then the better you are at answering those questions in all other book formats and editions.

– Record your audiobook from your manuscript. Your audience wants to get to know you through your voice, and reading your manuscript into a mic helps you find many more typos.

– As you write and edit your manuscript, consider running polls on social media for your audience. They’ll help you decide on your format, the book cover, and other features. (Polling also builds your marketing campaign for your presales.) Share the excitement with your readers at every step of the way, and they’ll reward you with a strong launch.

The rest of this post’s headers answer Kate’s interview questions.

 

The Journey

Kate asked:  “Can you describe your publishing journey from idea to finished book? What steps did you take to find (or create) the right publishing path, and what were some surprises along the way?”

First, your publishing “Why?” is far more important than your “how.” “How” is also not an irrevocable decision: many authors switch among self-publishing, hybrid publishing, and traditional publishers.

Writing is collaborative (with your audience and your editors), but eventually you have to park your butt in a chair and hammer on a keyboard.

It requires internal motivation and satisfaction, not external validation– and there won’t be any applause for a very long time. Even if you’re in a writer’s group or a coffee shop, you have to write because you can’t stop. Or as my spouse jokes, because I can’t shut up.

Writing your first book establishes your credibility. Maybe you just wanted to try it to see whether you have what it takes.

If that’s you, then stop reading this and go write your book.

Maybe you’re a financial advisor who writes to attract clients, or at least to scale your wisdom by answering their most common questions on their time (instead of individually on your time). Your book is your gateway to their purchase of your products & services. There are niche publishers who will promote your book for years (for a fee) because you’ll earn far more money by using it as a lead magnet for your business.

If you want to buy groceries with your writing then you should create a platform (a blog, social media, a podcast, a YouTube channel) that attracts advertising revenue and affiliate commissions. If you’re exclusively writing books then you’ll need to publish several of them with evergreen content for long-term sales (not just current events). Then you’ll need to market those books on your platform anyway.

If you want to quit your day job and write full-time then you’ll have to publish a dozen books and build an audience who buys whatever you’re selling. Even today’s best-selling award-winning authors learned that book publishing is a career you have to save up for.

I’ll break down the rest of my answers into my three books. Two of them are in print and I’m working on a third.

 

1.) The Military Guide to Financial Independence and Retirement:

Image of the book cover of "The Military Guide To Financial Independence and Retirement" by Doug Nordman | MilitaryFinancialIndependence.com

The first one is the hardest?

In 2002 after I retired from active duty, I spent time on Internet forums learning even more about personal finance. As we discussed financial independence, it became clear that military families had all of the tools & benefits to accelerate their path to FI… yet very few managed to do it.

My spouse even said “Nords, you have a book in you.” 20 years later, she still says it.

In 2005 I crowdsourced the The Military Guide from the advice & stories of over 50 servicemembers, families, and vets on the Early-Retirement.org forum. I told the forum members that we’d donate all of the royalties to military-friendly charities. If the members contributed to the book somehow (drafting chapters, editing, beta readers) then they’d get a vote. We created an outline and I started writing. I published each chapter to our group’s subforum, and over the next few years we drafted the manuscript.

A few months later after we started the project, a local author hosted a one-day seminar (in person!) on self-publishing. One of the sessions was hosted by a retired acquisitions editor, who said that publishers still took his phone calls and agreed to listen to his advice. In front of the entire auditorium, he asked for volunteers to give him a one-sentence pitch.

He politely yet quickly responded to a dozen pitches with encouragement– and potential pitfalls. It was clear that he had a mental filter of a dozen categories, and he knew from experience how crowded (or hackneyed) they might be.

When it was my turn, I said:  “I’m writing about financial independence and early retirement for U.S. military families.”

He paused for a few seconds, then asked: “Does this financial independence thing actually work? How early?” When I assured him that it certainly did, he said “Well, you have to convince your audience– but you might have something there.”

To my shock, I’d just given him a new mental filter.

I’m quite accustomed to criticism. I was surprised by his encouragement, and even more surprised by the small crowd of other wannabe authors who gathered around me afterward. They didn’t care about my book but they wanted to know more about this FI stuff.

Those questions convinced me that I had an audience– and that kept me going for the entire manuscript.

I’m a big fan of writing a manuscript before you contact a publisher, even though traditional publishers usually only want an outline and a draft chapter. If a publisher accepts your query letter, then that puts you on deadline to finish the manuscript. The forum approach (with its own support and peer tutoring) gave me plenty of time for discovering my writing skills and tinkering with the results.

Today I’d outline a book as an editorial calendar on a blog, and write a manuscript from a series of blog posts.

By 2009 blogs were taking off, but I wasn’t ready to learn that skill. I was busy drafting a traditional manuscript. Today I’d self-publish too, but years ago that was still a steep learning curve. Instead I took the traditional publishing approach of writing query letters.

The biggest benefits of using a traditional publisher are their feedback, their education, and their resources. (In that order.) The most important part of publishers (and editors) is their skill at helping you identify and clarify your ideal reader. Find your niche and write in a conversational style as if they’re sitting next to you while you’re typing.

Today, if I was seeking a traditional publisher, I’d write a query letter with a marketing plan. I’d shotgun tailored versions to every publisher on my list without waiting for individual responses. Back then every acquisitions editor had a different format for their pitches, and I waited for their responses before sending out the next letter to a different publisher.

The good news with this approach is that writing serial letters made me much better at crafting the next marketing plan. (The bad news is that it took nine months, one letter at a time.) On my ninth letter, the owner of Impact Publications told me that he’d accepted my pitch because I already had a robust marketing plan.

I knew that if I couldn’t convince a traditional publisher, then self-publishing would be Plan B. Today, in my mind, self-publishing is Plan A for the paper, eBook, and audio editions. The publishing feedback, education, and resources that used to be hoarded by traditional publishers are all now on the Internet.

Back then Impact Publications could do three things for a military author that I couldn’t do on my own:
– Publish an abridged pocket-guide version of the book in 3”x5”x 64 pages (useful for deployments),
– Distribute all editions of the book to the shelves of military exchanges all over the world through a national distributor (as well as public libraries), and
– Add the trade paperback to the federal government’s GSA catalog for military commands to buy with their funds.

All of those worked at the time… until they peaked. First, the pocket guide has been popular at military base family support centers, veteran’s centers, and job fairs. Second, in 2013 the military exchanges stopped selling print book and magazines, which moved most of the book’s sales to Amazon. The trade paperback is still listed with GSA but those sales are much less than Amazon and other commercial outlets.

Today, audiobooks sell at least as well as paper or eBooks (and far better than pocket guides). DoD and public libraries also offer free eBooks via their apps. When troops deploy, they’re more likely to listen or read on their smartphones than on paper or tablets.

In 2010, as the manuscript was being edited by Impact, I started the blog and several social-media channels. (My teen daughter helped me set up Facebook.) I published chapter excerpts as blog posts and shared updates on Facebook, Linkedin, and Twitter. (Today I prefer Bluesky instead of Twitter.) I built an audience and eventually networked to interviews on personal-finance podcasts and military websites.

During the manuscript’s editing, the publisher immediately deleted all of my classic-rock epigraphs. (They felt it was a trademark issue.) Instead I published those chapter subtitles on my site as “excerpts my publisher doesn’t want you to read.”

My high-school daughter said that her AP English teacher was a big fan of writing bullet summaries at the end of each chapter. She was right, and it worked very well.

Back then I wasn’t ready to learn podcasting, but today it’s easier to create simple audio versions of every blog post for readers to download and listen on the go instead of reading on a screen. I don’t bother with my own podcast or YouTube channel– but I have the gear for it. Instead I guest on everyone else’s shows for the 10% of their audience who are military families.

I encourage my audience to borrow the book (print or eBook) from their local military base library or public library before buying. That builds trust.

A final lesson from my first book: the more audience questions that you answer on social media, then the better you are at answering those questions in all other book formats and editions.

 

2.) Raising Your Money-Savvy Family for Next Generation Financial Independence:

In 2016 I started getting questions from my audience about teaching financial literacy to their kids. I had some ideas and babbled some advice, but it was mostly stories about raising our daughter. In 2018 my spouse and I visited Carol and her spouse, and I asked her what she remembered from her small-kid days.

Image of the book cover of "Raising Your Money-Savvy Family for Next Generation Financial Independence" by Carol Pittner and Doug Nordman | MilitaryFinancialIndependence.com

The winning cover by a landslide reader vote.

Carol lit up with memories, most of them good. 30 minutes later my spouse said “Nords, you guys have another book in you.”

At the time Carol was attending the military’s transition seminar for leaving active duty, and she sat in the back of that room writing the first three chapters of the book. At the time our generations lived six time zones apart, so she suggested that we draft the book on Google Docs. And of course Carol also wrote most of the bulleted chapter summaries.

As a published author, this time the publishers came to us.

At FinCon 2018, I met up with a friend who’s a BiggerPockets exec:
BP: “What have you been up to, Nords?”
Me (smiling and sipping coffee): “It’s a funny story. My daughter and I are writing a book.”
BP: “Really? We’d like to publish it!”
Me (nearly blowing coffee out my nose): “Um, wait, what? Would you like to know what the book is about?”
BP: “Personal finance, right?”
Me: “Well, yeah, and this time–”
BP: “That’s why we’d like to publish your book. Let me know when you’re ready.”

At a CampFI, one of the co-founders of ChooseFI approached me.
ChooseFI: “Nords, we’ve heard you’re writing another book. We’d like to publish it!”
Me: “You guys are publishing books?”
ChooseFI: “Not yet, but if you’re writing it then we’ll publish it!”

At FinCon19 I also connected with MK Williams, who has self-published her books since 2015. (I love her first book, the unique financial-independence novel “Enemies Of Peace.”) We talked through the publishing options and decided that, although ChooseFI had a smaller audience than BP (at the time), ChooseFI was more family-oriented than BP. Even the BP exec admitted that was a good choice.

MK started ChooseFI’s book division. Carol and I kept writing while MK brought in freelance editors for development, line edits, and copy edits. She also hired an audio engineer for us to record the book in our voices. I started promoting our new book on my “The Military Guide” blog and my social media.

Hybrid-publishing a personal-finance book is far better than traditional publishing. ChooseFI supplied their existing family-friendly audience and used their tremendous reach to amplify our marketing. We supplemented our book by creating more content (written, audio, and video) for their site. The print-on-demand edition is supplied by IngramSpark. We sell primarily through Amazon (for all three print, eBook and audio editions), and ChooseFI tracks the sales. As authors, we still do the marketing– but we have lots more support than a traditional publisher would ever supply to two inexperienced writers.

The developmental editor disliked our approach of alternating our stories: me starting a chapter with one of our brilliant financial parenting tactics, followed by Carol sharing her initial reaction as a child, and then adding her lessons learned as a young adult starting her own family. The editor (correctly) pointed out that our style was very difficult to write (let alone edit). They also felt very strongly that we’d be more credible by co-writing with one authoritative voice instead of quoting other finance authors or telling personal stories.

Carol and I only have experience with personal finance and raising families– and no credentials. Instead of arguing with the editor, we took it to social media for a Facebook poll. Our audience of military families voted overwhelmingly for our alternate-voices approach, and our editor agreed to hold us to it. Carol and I had to rigorously stick to our parts of the stories and not put words in each other’s mouths. The line-editing was brutal but the manuscript became a much better read– and a far better listen.

Our audiobook edition suffered an unintended consequence of this approach. Carol and I recorded our segments of the book in our voices, and that works very well when people hear our advice. (It’s popular when parents are driving their kids around, with everyone in the car listening to the audiobook on the car’s speakers.) However we each ended up with about 30 separate audio tracks for our respective sections of the manuscript, and we’d recorded them on different PCs with different microphones. This hairball landed in MK’s e-mail, and it was a labor-intensive pain to stitch everything together– in the correct order– for the final recording.

Carol and I still made the right choice to write & record the way our audience wanted it. ChooseFI just had to be willing to pay more money for editing– but the sales are higher.

An unexpected benefit of recording the audio was… more copy editing. When you’re reading your words into a microphone (with bright enthusiasm and a conversational tone!) you’ll stumble over every typo. You’ll basically be actually literally embarrassed by the number of times you used the adverbs “basically”, “actually”, and “literally.”

Record your audio before you bring in the copy editor (after developmental editing and line editing). Even if you can’t use that recording for your audiobook, you’ll strip out your adverbs and other blathering to end up with a better manuscript. When your copy editing is finally(!) finished, you can record the final version of your audiobook.

MK’s self-publishing experience paid off. Her trademark search for our original title discovered that “money-smart family” was already taken. We changed our title to “money-savvy family.” MK liked our idea of bullet summaries at the ends of the chapters, and she also suggested bullet goals at the start of each chapter.

MK also immediately ditched our manuscript’s Disney epigraphs and analogies, because Disney is hyperaggressive about protecting their brand and their copyright. This time we came up with better epigraphs, and our readers appreciate the humor.

The worst part of our second book was editing and publishing during a global pandemic. I wouldn’t recommend trying that approach– there were no book fairs and everyone was burned out on webinars.

In 2026 we learned a new lesson: free eBook downloads. ChooseFI created a spreadsheet with 100 download codes (from their corporate site) and we handed them out for book exchanges and contests. This was essentially free and certainly led to more paperback sales.

 

3.) “Living Your Financial Independence.”

In 2019 at a FI Chautauqua, my spouse and I realized that our 20 years of shared FI experience was bigger than the rest of the audience– combined.

Image of a draft book cover for "Living Your Financial Independence" with red splash background and the words "Financial Independence." | MilitaryFinancialIndependence.com

A draft book cover?

She told me: “Nords, you have to write that book too.” (I’m sensing a trend here.)

During that week, Alan Donegan (of Rebel Finance) led a creativity exercise using my book idea as an example: “What advice do I need to give people to thrive for their next 50 years of FI?” Our small group brainstormed a stack of scribbled Post-It notes with ideas. Seven years later, I’m still using those notes.

I’ll move the book outline to my blog’s editorial calendar and write the chapters mostly in that order, although I can switch around the blog posts to whatever chapters I want.

Along the way I’ll include downloadable audio versions of each blog post, which will help me clean up my writing for the book chapters.

 

Kate asked: “What were the financial aspects of your publishing process? For example, how were costs handled, how were earnings or royalties structured, and what factors most affected your book’s profitability?”

For our first two books, the publisher fronted the costs of editing & publishing. We did not get advances but our royalties were paid right away instead of waiting on them to earn out the advance.

The good news about Impact Publication is that the eBook royalty rate is higher than the trade paperback royalty rate, and both are higher than the royalty rates of the largest publishers.

ChooseFI offered us an exceptionally generous royalty rate, perhaps because we were one of their first hybrid-published books. (Thank you, MK!) We also get monthly sales data and we can work with ChooseFI’s promotions, like package deals combining several books of their catalog.

I’m going to self-publish my third book and share the revenue with Amazon.

 

Kate asked: “Looking back, what do you see as the biggest advantages and drawbacks of publishing through your chosen method? How did those factors influence your satisfaction with the final outcome?”

Traditional publisher’s royalties suck at giving feedback. I receive two paper checks per year with sales data, and there’s no real-time dashboard. The publisher has to agree to bulk sales or discounts, and I have no idea which marketing campaigns work.

Impact Publication struggled with database errors on their sales reports, but I scrutinized those reports to help them fix their tracking.

 

Kate asked: “If you could give one piece of advice to a new author deciding between traditional, hybrid, or self-publishing, what would it be—and why?”

Consider a hybrid publisher with a built-in audience. Self-publishing is always an option that you can save for a last resort.

 

Kate asked: “Lastly, is there a resource (video, book, blog post, anything) that you would recommend that I include in a list for attendees? For example, I have found a lot of value in MK Williams You Tube videos. (Thanks to you!)”

I’m subscribed to the Creative Penn podcast. (I prefer the transcripts.)

I’ve also bought all of MK Williams’ “Author Your Ambition” books, although I’m not ready to tackle the fiction style yet.

I’ll never write a book with AI, but I’ll use it for all stages of editing and for marketing suggestions. As part of the publishing process, I’ll still run a manuscript by a human editor and use a human artist for a print cover.

 

Call To Action

There’s an apocryphal story about a writer’s workshop. The attendees cleared their calendars, paid their fees, and traveled hundreds of miles. They showed up in the conference room to take notes on the nuggets of an award-winning author’s wisdom.

The author smiled at the audience and asked “Why are you here instead of working on your book?”

Stop waiting for inspiration. Don’t even bother adding a comment on this post. (Just kidding.  Add all the comments you want.)

Sit your butt in a chair, put your hands on your keyboard, and start writing your outline.

Everything after your first draft is just editing and publishing.

 

 

There are no affiliate links or paid ads in this post.  Try your military base library or local public library before you pay money for these books– in any format.

 

Military Financial Independence on Amazon:

The Military Guide cover
  • Reach your own financial independence
  • Retire on your terms
  • Success stories and personal checklists
  • Royalties donated to military charities

Use this link to order from Amazon.com!

Raising Your Money-Savvy Family on Amazon:

The Money-Savvy Family cover
  • Reach your own financial independence
  • Teach your kids how to manage their money
  • Specific tactics from my adult daughter
  • Checklists and spreadsheets for your family

Use this link to order from Amazon.com!

 

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“So, Nords, how did you start blogging?”
Update to “Just Write It”
Should You Self-Publish or Use a Traditional Publisher?
Selling A Personal Finance Book In The Military Exchanges
“The Military Guide” Sales Update (The GSA Schedule Rocks!)
Raising Your Money-Savvy Family For Next Generation Financial Independence
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SBP Premiums With Deposits for CRSC, CRDP, and Military Pensions


 

Whether you’re medically or physically retired for disability before 20 years of service, have you checked your eligibility for Combat Related Special Compensation?

If you’re retired with at least 20 years of service (whatever military pension you’ve earned) are you receiving Concurrent Retirement and Disability Pay? *

Here’s an example of how complicated this military retirement documentation can get. Even when you’re already financially independent, it still affects your income taxes.

And yeah, I’ve crammed a few obscure acronyms into the title of this blog post. I’ve decrypted them in the text below, but please let me know if you have questions on their details.

A reader writes:

I’m seeking clarity to ensure my SBP premium is still paid since opting to elect CRSC pay over Air Force retirement pay. (This was more beneficial financially, and tax exempt.) This was the response from Ask DFAS yesterday, are you able to help gain clarity on this? Does this mean my VA pay is diminished by the amount listed, plus some from CRSC?
“Because you are in receipt of a VA entitlement that is less than your military retired pay, we have to deduct the VA waiver which is less than your retired pay gross. The remaining amount after offset is $272.09 and that is applied to part of your SBP premium which is $280.72. So, the remaining $8.63 is withheld from your combat related special compensation.”
Mainly, I’m just trying to find out where that $280.72 is being offset from – my VA pay? My retirement pay? Or otherwise? Thank you!

—————

If it’s any consolation, DFAS’s response confused me too.  It’s not my first time that’s happened, and it won’t be my last.

The Defense Finance Accounting Service is deducting your entitlements to pay the premium on your Survivor Benefit Plan, so you know that your premium is still being paid.

Screenshot of a typical U.S. military electronic Retiree Account Statement showing deposits for gross pay, VA disability compensation, and Survivor Benefits Plan premiums. In this case there are no SBP elections, so no premiums. | MilitaryFinancialIndependence.com

Screenshot of a typical eRAS.

The rest of the answers that I’m giving below should be documented in your DFAS Retiree Account Statement (on myPay) and in your bank’s monthly checking account statement. I’ll get into those statements after writing about the background.

 

Background:

A federal dual-compensation law from the 1950s restricts the simultaneous receipt of military pensions and VA disability compensation.

To comply with that law, vets who receive an active-duty or Reserve pension can choose to have their (taxable) military pension offset by (tax-exempt) VA disability compensation. It leaves you with the same total amount of monthly deposits, yet lower income taxes.

Congress has spent at least the last 40 years (that I’m aware of) chipping away at the dual-compensation law without actually eliminating it. Combat Related Special Compensation is one of the workarounds to “offset the offset” by restoring some of the pension that you gave up to receive VA disability compensation.

Here’s a frequent question on the DFAS website, and this is a verbatim quote:

“Q: What happens to my Retired Pay if I switch to CRSC?
A: If you elect to receive CRSC, your retired pay will be offset by the full amount of your VA disability pay. You may still receive some retired pay if your retired pay exceeds your VA disability pay.
[…]
CRSC payments are subject to deductions for monthly SBP premiums or garnishments.
Also, CRSC is non-taxable, so it is issued separately from your retired pay. You may begin to receive two separate payments from DFAS each month, one for retired pay (taxable) and one for CRSC (non-taxable).”

[Sidebar: Retirement pay is generally taxable. The VA’s CRSC and disability compensation are tax-exempt. However both DFAS and the VA frequently use the word “pay” as an equivalent term for “compensation.”  This annoys tax accountants– and confuses many military families who are trying to figure out their benefits.]

 

Stacking up the statements:

Here’s how your CRSC was initially implemented by DFAS:
You’re receiving your pension (reduced by the offset for VA disability compensation), plus your CRSC (to compensate for the reduced pension), and plus your VA disability compensation. Your Retiree Account Statement on myPay could show:
+ Pension
– the offset VA disability compensation,
+ CRSC,
+ VA disability compensation.
This is listed in the Pay Item Description portion of the RAS with terms like “gross pay”, CRSC, and “VA waiver”. The SBP Coverage part of the RAS shows the SBP premium.

SBP premiums that are paid from your pension are also not taxed. For tax accounting purposes this is (even more) complicated by paying your SBP premiums as a deduction from your pension and compensation.  SBP premiums are the very first deduction from your pension– before taxes– in order to reduce the pension’s taxable amount.

This complicates the DFAS calculation:
+ [Pension – VA disability compensation] = $272.09,
– [SBP $272.09 premium] of your total $280.72 SBP premium,
+ CRSC, then
– [SBP remaining $8.63 premium], and finally
+ VA disability compensation.

Screenshot of a checking account showing two electronic deposits from the Defense Finance Accounting Service, with one for retirement pay and the other one from the VA (through DFAS) for disability compensation. | MilitaryFinancialIndependence.com

DFAS and VA deposits in a checking account.

The VA uses a different financial account than DoD for their deposits, although that deposit also comes through DFAS.

Your checking account statement should show at least two deposits each month: CRSC and VA disability compensation. If your pension was bigger than your SBP premium then you’d see three deposits.

You could track your (taxable) pension income on your Retiree Account Statement, and you’d also see that income on your annual Internal Revenue Service Form 1099-R pension distribution summary. However your pension is wiped out by your SBP premiums, so you have no net pension income. I doubt that DFAS would issue a 1099-R full of zeroes, and we already know that VA disability compensation & CRSC are never reported to the IRS.

Keep in mind that your military pension, your VA disability compensation, and your CRSC all have an annual Cost-Of-Living Adjustment. (It’s the same Consumer Price Index algorithm as the Social Security COLA.) Your SBP premium is a percentage of your pension, so it also rises each year. Your SBP annuity is paid up when you’ve reached age 70 and made at least 360 monthly payments– whichever takes longer.

* Note that the CRDP name was changed in February 2026. The July 2025 update to the Financial Management Regulation (DoD 7000.14-R) was changed to “Concurrent Military Retirement Pay and Department of Veterans Affairs (DVA) Disability Compensation”, followed by the actual change (in 2026) to Volume 7B Chapter 64. Apparently we don’t have an acronym for that yet: “CMRPD&DVADC’…?

 

Call To Action:

– If you’re a military retiree, then check your monthly Retiree Account Statement whenever you change something.

– It’s a good idea to check your RAS every month, but at a minimum you should check the December RAS to see how your pension & VA disability compensation will change next year.

– If you’re not retired yet, then make sure you’ve downloaded all of your Leave and Earnings Statements before you separate! Your myPay or MarineOnLine account might shut down your LES access after you leave the service.

 

 

 

There are no affiliate links or paid ads in this post.  Try your military base library or local public library before you pay money for these books– in any format.

 

Military Financial Independence on Amazon:

The Military Guide cover
  • Reach your own financial independence
  • Retire on your terms
  • Success stories and personal checklists
  • Royalties donated to military charities

Use this link to order from Amazon.com!

Raising Your Money-Savvy Family on Amazon:

The Money-Savvy Family cover
  • Reach your own financial independence
  • Teach your kids how to manage their money
  • Specific tactics from my adult daughter
  • Checklists and spreadsheets for your family

Use this link to order from Amazon.com!

 

 

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Family Estate Planning For Your Disability
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CRDP vs CRSC: Getting Back the Retired Pay the VA Waiver Takes
How VA Disability Compensation Affects Military Retirement Pay
Why Some Disabled Veterans Can’t Get Both VA Disability and Military Retirement Pay
CRSC and CRDP Military Retirement Pays and How to Get Them

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40 years of danger: military specialty pay + bonus contracts


While you’re pursuing your path to financial independence: are you ever tempted by the military’s specialty pay or bonus programs?

One of our family’s (many) military-retention discussions reminded me of a sea story behind our financial independence.

I was certainly tempted from the day I joined: all the way back in 1978 when we midshipmen could get extra liberty by donating blood. (Not that much extra liberty— we were still limited to one pint every eight weeks.) For the next two decades of my service I was constantly pelted by offers of submarine pay, sea pay, nuclear bonus pay, and even “free” college degrees.

Note: I am not a member of any service’s Command Retention Team.

Image of large messy pile of one-hundred-dollar and fifty-dollar bills for military specialty pay or bonus contracts. | MilitaryFinancialIndependence.com

Is it enough yet?

Which brings me to my next point: have you ever wondered why the military is being extra nice to some of us? Shouldn’t we already be compensated well enough (with benefits and entitlements as well as pay) that our services wouldn’t have to dangle more retention carrots in front of us?

Today this bonus & retention topic is still perpetually relevant among military families, especially with one servicemember who I’ve known for years.

They’ve been on active duty over a decade, and they’re already financially independent. However (in their ideal world) they would personally prefer to earn a military pension without sacrificing their family’s quality of life.

Their feeling persists even after paying the price for their highly successful tour in an all-consuming career-enhancing 24/7 operations billet. They’ve transferred (with a great performance report and a medal) to a new command and they’ve leveled up to greater responsibility.  Fortunately they’re recovering from burnout, and their work/life balance is improving.

Yet similar to the slow-boiled frog, even this scorched servicemember was briefly tempted by the possibility of signing up for more active duty. I see my role in our discussions as mentoring and facilitating their Reserve transition on their terms. They’re considering that move to the Reserves in another 12-24 months, and we’ll keep talking about it.

 

The Sea Story:  40 years ago.

In 1986 the Cold War had reached a new peak. The Soviet Union was castigated as the Evil Empire while America worked on a new shield against ballistic missiles. (The Strategic Defense Initiative was cleverly marketed as “Star Wars” to tie in with the Return Of The Jedi movie.) Today’s historians have documented that Moscow’s 1980s leadership was seriously concerned about a preemptive nuclear strike, and they expected it to come from the U.S. Navy’s ballistic missile submarines.

America was building a 600-ship Navy, and the new OHIO-class submarines were launching from the shipyards. With our existing 41 SSBNs and another 50+ attack submarines, our new Navy required over 1500 nuclear-trained submarine officers. Now we had to figure out how to recruit— and retain— those steely-eyed killers of the deep.

Image of Doug Nordman learning SCUBA diving in Monterey Bay when he's supposed to be studying hard at Naval Postgraduate School. | MilitaryFinancialIndependence.com

Studying hard!

Back then I was finishing my junior officer nuclear-engineering tour on my first submarine. I was very much ready for shore duty, and I could have left active duty at my five-year mark of June 1987.  Instead I’d requested orders to the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, CA to be stationed with my spouse! We’d just married (after four years of doing distance) and we were among the Navy’s newest dual-military couples. At NPS she’d earn her oceanography & meteorology graduate degrees and I’d earn mine in weapons engineering. (Of course our highest priority was enjoying a lot of each other with quality liberty time around and in Monterey Bay.)

During this tour we’d also pick up our new service obligations– mine would be four more years after NPS. After graduation I’d go straight back to submarine sea duty as a department head and follow up with yet another shore tour.

A few months before I obligated for those NPS orders, the Navy rolled out a new nuclear-power bonus program.  As nuclear-qualified officers finished their initial obligation, they could start a contract for an additional 3-5 years. Each year of that contract was worth $10K, paid at the start of the year. (That’s $30K in 2026 dollars, although in 2026 the current submarine bonus contract pays $40K-$45K/year). The 1980s bonus was a big improvement over a 1970s bonus program (which had been savaged by stagflation), and we lieutenants were all excited about the opportunities.

The fine print of the new program even included an “annual incentive” bonus for those who’d finished their initial obligation of five years of active duty. If we didn’t want to obligate up front for $10K/year over the life of the contract, then at each anniversary after our commissioning obligation we were still eligible for a smaller $7200 bonus (over $21K in 2026 dollars) just for sticking around to finish the year.

I guess BUPERS wanted to let us switch between bonus contracts and annual incentives to optimize our retention while we kept earning the big (or bigger) bucks.

 

The problem.

In early 1987, as I was about to apply for my bonus contract, BUPERS sent one of the assignment officers to Monterey to meet with us nuclear-trained students. It turned out that Naval Reactors had intended for the contract’s service obligation to be served concurrent with other service obligations (for example, graduate degrees from NPS)— but the BUPERS legal staff had recently concluded that the Congressional legislation implied consecutive obligations.

BUPERS had put out incorrect information and inadvertently let us sign contracts that didn’t comply with the federal law.

A few months earlier, one of my classmates (we’ll call him “Rick”) had signed up for what he thought were concurrent 4-year NPS and 5-year bonus obligations. He was the first to be told that he was now expected to stay on active duty for nine more years after NPS— effectively serving a grand total of 16 years of active duty. I don’t know what Rick said to his assignment officer, but BUPERS had already approved a bunch of contracts with nukes who were now arriving at NPS. Rick was persuasive enough for BUPERS to send their submarine representative out to Monterey to negotiate a solution.

When the assignment officer entered the auditorium, he was facing a hostile audience of at least two dozen O-3s and a few O-4s. All of us had already incurred a new service obligation by starting our NPS tours. Like Rick, a few had signed a nuclear bonus contract before reporting to NPS and were not happy about their new consecutive obligations. A few of us had planned to sign nuclear bonus contracts, but now we wanted to get the facts.

Have you ever wanted to get your assignment officer alone in a room with your peers (no senior leaders!), where you could just speak truth to power? Yeah. This time we had an entire platoon of people who wanted to speak a lot of truth.

Fortunately for the nuclear-power assignment officers, BUPERS had already figured out the right answers. Nobody on that staff (least of all the admiral) wanted to see this controversy discussed on the front pages of Navy Times. After the assignment officer spent 15 minutes describing “how we got here”, he was ready to make a deal.

His first offer was to let any of us who wanted to leave NPS (without incurring an obligation) as long as we quit this week.

Ha-ha! Yeah right. A few years ago he’d served his own tour at NPS, and he already knew none of us would take that deal. Besides, if we left NPS right now then we’d go right back to sea duty— especially if the bonus contract was our only reason to leave. Back-to-back sea tours didn’t hold much appeal, especially when all you had to do at NPS shore duty was publish your thesis.

He paused for questions. As everyone expected, nobody took him up on his first offer. We moved on.

His second offer was to let anyone out of their bonus contract that day— right now— even if they’d already signed one.

We all knew we’d have an NPS obligation anyway, and BUPERS was all right with canceling our contracts. He pointed out that instead of getting $10K up front in each year of a contract, we’d still get $7200 at the end of the year. The catch was that we’d have to serve our NPS obligation before we could sign any nuclear bonus contracts. The $7200/year consolation prize would last through NPS and for at least 3-4 years after graduation before we were free to sign up for a bigger bonus. That’s assuming we even wanted to continue on active duty in the first place, let alone commit for a bonus.

Oh, and if we’d already received a $10K tranche from the bonus contract, then we’d have to give back $2800. BUPERS knew we’d stick around long enough to earn the $7200 and they weren’t going to quibble over the timing. They’d even helpfully deduct the $2800 from our pay.

As you might imagine, there was some grumbling over this offer. People who’d already accepted orders to NPS and then also signed a bonus contract had felt seen and validated by the career boost. The Navy had finally acknowledged their value with a twofer of serving simultaneous obligations, and now that could be revoked by a legal technicality.

Federal convicts got concurrent prison sentences and credit for time served, right? Then why not us nukes?

As the grumbling spread through the audience, the assignment officer played his ace card: “But wait, there’s more!”

 

The BUPERS solution:

He shared that the BUPERS lawyers and the Congressional liaisons had worked out a proposal for corrective legislation. The existing nuclear-bonus law would be amended to specify “concurrent” instead of the default “consecutive”, and the Navy policy directives would be updated to match the new legal language.

This would make us nukes happy, it would make BUPERS’ lawyers happy, and our higher retention rate would make Congress happy. We still needed to win the Cold War! Legislators would take a quick voice vote during the current session, and BUPERS would handle the rest of the details.

It also made the assignment officer happy.  He was confident this correction would happen in a matter of days… but now there was another catch.

The only people at NPS who’d benefit from Congress changing the law to “concurrent” were the officers who’d already signed a bonus contract. After Congress clarified the law, the officers who were already under another obligation (like NPS) but had not signed the bonus contract would be locked out of it until they’d served their existing obligation.

Admittedly we were still eligible for the $7200 annual retention incentive while we served off our NPS obligation. Yet this $2800/year difference would sting if we passed up the bonus contract and then watched Congress pass the corrective legislation.

The assignment officer’s next words: “We need to know the headcount for tomorrow’s meeting with the admiral. If you want to sign a bonus contract for a concurrent obligation, you have to act today or get locked out!” He’d brought a stack of blank contracts for us to fill in— at that very moment— and he was leaving on the next flight back to BUPERS.

A hush fell over the group. We could all do the math, and the corrective-legislation tactic seemed straightforward.

The room exploded with happiness, and a crowd stampeded to the front to fill out their contracts.

 

“How Could This Possibly Go Bad?!?”

All the way from our back row, another officer raised his hand. We’ll call him “Steve.”

Steve: “Sir, what happens if we sign a contract and the corrective legislation isn’t approved this session? Will our obligations still stay consecutive?”
Assignment officer: “Well, sure, I guess that could happen. But this corrective legislation is a done deal and Congress is just waiting for us to bring them the paperwork for the voice vote.
Anyone have any other questions? No? Then sign here please.”

I turned in my seat and locked eyes with Steve. We acknowledged our mutual skepticism. A few more of us gathered in the back to pessimistically assess the likelihood of a failure of the corrective legislation. We’d already seen some “sure things” in the fleet which had mutated into failures, and we were wary of the assignment officer’s smooth delivery with his time pressure.

The assignment officer (probably) wasn’t evil, but he was a trained sales professional. To us, it was personal. To him, it was just business.

This time (unlike The Godfather movie’s platitudes), we had the choice of refusing an offer. While the eager crowd at the front finished filling out their contracts and signing them, our small group of skeptics quietly left the room.

And yes, I already felt the impending sting of giving up the extra $2800/year.

I shared the news with my spouse.  Seeing the horrified look on her face, I assured her that I’d decided to pass by this “opportunity.” We both wanted to be stationed together, but we also wanted to (someday) leave the Navy together. I didn’t need to add my new obligation drama to our new marriage.

You military servicemembers & veterans can already predict how this story ends:

  • Congress tabled the submarine force’s corrective legislation that month.
  • They deferred a vote on it for the rest of their session.
  • Subsequent Congresses ignored it and never approved it.

Over a decade later (coincidentally after all of the consecutive obligations had run their course), the Navy rolled out a new nuclear bonus contract that clearly specified “concurrent.”

By then Rick had finished his consecutive obligations and could sign a contract for a little more money. He did very well in the rest of his career, and he probably would have stayed on active duty even without a bonus.

I don’t know how Steve’s Navy career turned out, but for the rest of his time at NPS he got free adult beverages from us grateful fellow nukes who didn’t sign a contract. Ironically, after the military he became a lawyer. Maybe it was his skeptical ability to ask the unlikely questions… or maybe he just wanted to have fun with his GI Bill.

My harsh experience convinced me (and my spouse) that we were the only people who could truly manage our careers.

It also accelerated our journey to financial independence. We invested all of my submarine pay and every one of those $7200 annual retention bonuses. We weren’t interested in owning a big house (let alone big pickup trucks), but when we finished our NPS obligations we wanted to have a big transition fund… just in case.

Today (four decades later) when I talk about financial independence with military families, I start by announcing “I am not a member of the Command Retention Team.” After that reassuring disclaimer, I share how to reach FI while you’re still on active duty— even if you don’t earn a pension. And especially even if you don’t earn any specialty pay or bonuses.

I’m also writing about retention from my military-family perspective: as dual-military parents, we watched our daughter join the Navy (“Free scholarship!!”) and later marry another Navy officer. (“The new family business.”) We raised a money-savvy family and it all worked out well, but she certainly surprised us with her career choice.

As grandparents, my spouse and I are carefully watching for that fateful day (in 2037 or so) when our six-year-old granddaughter announces: “Mom, Dad, I’m joining the Space Force.”

 

Call To Action:

40 years later, the systems are just as dangerous.  Make sure your money motives are aligned with your values, not just with your wallet.

Please give yourself permission to stay on active duty as long as you’re feeling challenged & fulfilled. You’re part of something bigger than yourself. You’re supporting the mission and taking care of your people. If you’re internally motivated by your service then feel free to accept all of the additional specialty pay and bonuses— but take it one obligation at a time and be ready to leave active duty at every exit ramp.

If you’re in the Blended Retirement System, are you taking the Continuation Pay contract for an additional four years of service? Is the extra cash worth your life energy?  Or would you prefer to have more flexibility over your career choices between 12-16 years? And yes, that service obligation is also supposed to be concurrent.

While you’re on active duty, have you considered transferring your GI Bill eligibility to your spouse or kids for an additional service obligation? It’s supposed to be concurrent with other obligations— but make sure that your community is not an exception to that benefit.

Frankly, if you’re pursuing a bridge career after the military, then maybe it makes sense to keep the GI Bill for yourself and skip the service obligation. Your advanced degree or certifications could help you earn more than enough extra compensation in your bridge career to pay for your entire family’s educations.

When the fun stops during active duty, do not be tempted by the finances of a retention contract—let alone gutting it out to 20.

If your internal motivation is vaporizing, then the external motivation is unsustainable. Even worse, you’re risking your health and your family’s quality of life. While the specialty pay & bonus money is awfully attractive at the moment, in the longer term your human capital will get you to your financial independence on your terms.

And if your service or your community is being extra-special-nice to you in exchange for your contractual obligation, then ask yourself: “Why?”

When you’re financially responsible (and already on the path to financial independence) then you don’t have to be seduced by financial retention blandishments.

Teach your money-savvy family about the rewards (and risks) of financial incentives.  Help them make sure they’re not motivated solely by the money.

And be mindful of a teen’s selective hearing when you share your space sea stories with your impressionable youngsters.

 

 

 

 

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