What Happens When (Not Just How) You File Your VA Disability Claim


Last week’s post explained why you want to file your disability claim, not just how to file it. Now we’ll get into why you should prepare as much of your claim as possible up front as a “fully developed” package for Benefits Delivery at Discharge by the time you separate from active duty.

It’s time (once again) to visit the Veteran Service Officer.

(Note:  this post was originally published in 2016 and eventually consolidated with other posts on TheMilitaryWallet.  I’m re-publishing my 2016 version, updating it for the PACT Act and my eight more years of personal experience.)

 

Why you want a fully-developed claim and Benefits Delivery at Discharge

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Communication is the key.

The VA is required by law to research and develop your claim before their raters can evaluate the severity of your disability. If you do all the work for the VA up front and submit a fully-developed claim then they’ll skip most of the development process and render a faster decision.

The big advantage of the fully-developed claim is that you retain much more control over the process. That’s because you (and the VSO) are doing almost all of the work. When you file the claim, you’ll affirm to the VA that you’ve submitted all of the evidence and that you don’t have any more records for them to locate or evaluate.

Another benefit of a fully-developed claim is that its results will be determined more quickly. (The VA saves time in the process because, once again, you’ve done most of their work.) If the VA realizes that more information is needed then they’ll pull the claim from the fully-developed pipeline and do the additional work. But if they agree with you that they have all the data then they’ll move straight to the next step.

 

Filing the claim

It’s tempting to just sign up for your eBenefits VA .gov account* and start uploading your medical records.  Don’t do that yet! The last post showed you how to work with a VSO (and your team) to gather and organize your records, and now you can use the VSO to help submit the fully-developed claim. They’ve reviewed hundreds of medical records and filed those claims for other veterans, so they’ll avoid your potential mistakes.

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I recommend Login .gov.

(* 2024 update: If you have the time to go through the Login .gov signup & validation process, the VA is now part of that login system.)

The VSO will not only review your medical record for problems that you’ve reported at sick call. They also have the database of presumptive conditions which are already linked to known exposures.  If you have your dates & locations, you might save yourself an extended series of medical exams to document your symptoms.  Vietnam veterans are asked about Agent Orange exposure and Gulf War veterans may be checked for symptoms from burning oil wells. Navy engineering duty might imply exposure to asbestos steam-pipe lagging, and submariners are questioned about radiation exposure.

(2024 update:  The PACT Act expands a long list of presumptive conditions and updates other emerging disability ratings such as exposure to toxic particulates like burn pits.  It also includes additional healthcare benefits.)

I had a long talk with the Oahu Disabled American Veterans VSO about exposure to the airborne radioactive isotopes from the 1986 Chernobyl reactor accident (all the way out in the North Atlantic) and the effects of breathing volcanic ash during the 1991 Mount Pinatubo volcanic eruption. “Luckily” no presumptive conditions are linked to those disasters (yet).* If any medical or physical effects had been related to those events then I would have had to start digging for a pile of submarine deck logs and air-sampling records (classified?) as well as old “I was there” fitness reports and buddy statements. Personally, it’s also a big relief to know that neither of those incidents is likely to have a long-term impact on me, and maybe now I’ll sleep better at night.

(* 2024 update:  Yeah, it turns out there are long-term impacts after all.  As part of the PACT Act review, I’ve filed an updated claim for rhinitis and a new claim for chronic sinusitis– both connected to service during the Mt. Pinatubo eruption.  The VA concurs with a service connection for both and has rated both at 0%.    If either condition gets worse then I’ll update my medical exams and apply for a higher rating.)

After the VSO checks for presumptive conditions, they’ll look for links to other service-connected disabilities. In addition to showing that an issue arose from your service, there needs to be a persistent impact on your life after the military. The VA wants to know how you’re affected by a situation and see that you’re still seeking treatment for a problem. If you’ve avoided the military medical system (or seen a civilian doctor on your own) then the VSO can help you determine whether you can document your claim and can even help you track down records.

Once you’ve reviewed your medical records with the VSO then you’re ready to submit your claim. You’ll include your DD-214 to prove your dates of service and the character of your discharge. Some VA benefits are linked to your family status so you’ll include your marriage certificate and birth certificates for any minor children who you’re still financially supporting. (Even if you’re married to another military veteran, you can both receive VA disability compensation with your milspouse as a family member.)  That family information is used by the VA to determine your compensation rate for your disability.

After all your record-gathering and research, filing the claim is surprisingly anticlimactic. The VSO will bundle up the pile of medical records and other documents that you’re submitting, print out a few forms for your signature, and click a “Submit” button on the VA’s website. They’ll forward your documents to the nearest VA regional office for scanning and adding to the VA database.

Even after your claim is submitted by the VSO, you’ll still stay in touch with them. As part of submitting your claim, you’ll give them a limited power of attorney to represent you with the VA. The VSO will guide your fully-developed claim through the VA bureaucracy, and they can also answer your questions about the next steps in the process.

One final tip: when you submit your claim to the VA, they’re going to schedule your “Compensation & Pension” medical exams. It’ll take at least 2-4 weeks for them to set up the appointments, but you want to be available for those appointments. Ideally you’ll do them in parallel with your separation physical as part of the VA’s Benefits Delivery at Discharge.  If you know that you’ll be out of the area for a long period of time (a deployment or extended travel) then try to push on filing your claim before you go.  You can still do the exams later, and your claim will still be effective on the day you separate from the military, but you could end up delaying your own benefits.

 

Your eBenefits VA .gov account

Now that your claim has been filed, you can track it with your VA .gov account.  (2024 update:  I found it much easier to use my Login .gov credentials.) Sign up, log in, and in a few days, you’ll be able to review the data on the dashboard. You’ll also need to add your bank account information so that the VA can distribute your compensation (if any) by direct deposit. The VA will update your dashboard with the status of your claim and any messages they need to send to you.

 

Your Compensation and Pension medical exams

After a wait of a few weeks to a few months, you’ll be notified of your appointment(s) for your C&P exam(s).

These can be a problem. The VA hires contractors to schedule the appointments for you, and the doctors who administer the exams are very busy. I’ve seen plenty of complaints about last-minute notifications, time conflicts, or even letters arriving after the appointment date. When you’re living in an area with a high concentration of veterans, or if your claim requires an assessment by a medical specialist, then you may have to drive quite a distance. You’ve probably filed your disability claim as part of your impending separation (as recommended in the first post of this series) so you already have a lot on your calendar. These appointments will just complicate your schedule, but they’re a necessary burden.

I asked one of the C&P doctors about the appointment scheduling. She had to go through a certification process to do these exams for the VA, so there are already a limited number of doctors for your claim. The VA asks the doctors to put their available time slots on the contractor’s scheduling website, and then the contractor fills in the schedule. If the doctor’s schedule changes then they can’t just call you– they have to go through the contractor. If the doctor needs more time (or if they’re called away on an emergency) then you’re going to be waiting until the doctor’s available. If the appointment conflicts with your schedule, then the contractor will put you at the bottom of their list for the next C&P appointment. Your claim is stuck in the processing pipeline until the appointment is completed, and plenty of other veterans are competing with you for limited resources.

You can see the potential problems if you’re about to separate from the service and move to a new address. Make sure that your VA .gov account, your VSO, and your VA clinic all have your latest mailing address and phone number. If you know that you’re making a big move on a certain date, and there’s not enough time to finish your C&P exams before the move, then it’s worth waiting on filing your claim until after you’ve made the move and settled in to the new address.

If the contractor messes up the appointment (or the mail isn’t delivered in time) then tell your VSO and the VA (through your account) as quickly as you can. That starts the documentation trail if your claim is mishandled or if you later appeal a finding. You’ll have to work out a new appointment with the contractor, and that may be an unpleasant experience, but the contractor also knows that their performance is monitored by the VA. Be polite, be persistent, and let the contractor know that you’ll keep the local VA office informed as well.

Pro tip: when the contractor notifies you of your C&P appointment, rearrange your life to make it happen. If you’re on active duty, be willing to take leave if necessary. If you’re out of the military already, take the day off work and figure out childcare or other logistics. Nobody cares about how busy (or how important) you are. You have very little negotiating power here, and the next rescheduled appointment could be weeks away.

 

C&P exam study guide (“the gouge sheet”)

The C&P doctor is simply an objective third-party authority who tries to clarify and validate the details of your claim. They don’t diagnose or treat any symptoms, and they don’t make the final decisions. They don’t determine the final rating (the VA does that) but they give the VA the data needed for that analysis.

The C&P doctor is also a human being. Some of them do C&P exams because they’re rock-star professionals who feel a deep commitment to helping veterans. (Maybe they’re military vets too, or maybe one of their loved ones is a vet.) A few doctors do C&P exams because it helps them fill their appointment book and pay their medical school student loans. Any of those doctors could be having a bad day when you walk into the exam room. Your attitude will definitely set the mood for how your claim is assessed, and if the doctor forms a bad first impression then your entire claim could be derailed.

No pressure, right? 99% of these appointments go well, and you might even learn helpful advice from the doctor. Unfortunately, this situation calls for varsity-level adulting, and you need this appointment to succeed a lot more than the doctor needs you. Regardless of how well the two of you hit it off, you’re going to have to be the polite and reasonable grownup. This is a fantastic time to have your family member, friend, or wounded-warrior advocate in the room with you to help defuse any rising tension. (Just the presence of another person may help encourage professional behavior from everyone.) Let the doctor know right away why they’re with you, and tactfully obtain their permission before you try to record any video or audio.

Your C&P doctor has also done many more exams than you, and they’ve developed their finely-tuned attention for the way you describe your condition. (They may even have a preconceived opinion on your diagnosis.) They’re not going to heal you and they don’t work for you– they’re simply trying to gather technical medical info for the VA. They’ll have specific questions and they’ll be alert for specific vocabulary. Hopefully, the two of you can have a conversation rather than an interrogation, but it’s up to you to avoid an adversarial relationship. This exam is not the time for long detailed war stories or for trying to take charge of the situation. Don’t exaggerate or dissemble. Try to offer short, factual responses that the doctor can transcribe into their examination report, and try to make it easy for the doctor to do their job. (The next section will give a few more tips on making the doctor’s report faster and more supportive of your claim.) Ideally, the doctor will relax, open up a little, and engage you in a conversation that exchanges more information.

Ask polite questions if you don’t understand what the doctor is doing. If you’re impressed or surprised by the techniques or equipment that they’re using, then say so! Your feedback could prime the doctor’s conversational pump and help both of you understand each other. The more you know about what the doctor is trying to find, the faster and easier you can make the exam for them.

Pro tip: don’t be a tough guy. You’re at the C&P exam because you have a condition that affects your ability to earn a living, and it might even cause chronic pain. Show exactly where it hurts and when it starts to hurt.  Use the VA’s 10-point pain rating scale for when you’re trying to sleep, when you wake up, when you’re walking, and when you’re exercising.  Don’t minimize (or exaggerate) the symptoms, and don’t try to set new personal records for strength,  flexibility, or pain tolerance. Have concrete examples of how it affects your daily life.

One of my C&P doctors wanted to know how long I could stand, how far I could walk, and exactly how many stairs I could climb before my knees hurt. Another doctor surprised me by asking whether my tinnitus wakes me up. (No– but yikes!) The questions may seem odd or even intrusive, but the doctors are trying to translate your description into standardized, precise medical terminology that will quickly be processed by the VA raters. They know a lot more than you ever will about what the VA needs to know, and it’s up to you to make it easy for them to supply that info.

Another pro tip: assume that the doctor couldn’t read your medical records. The VA now scans your fully-developed claim onto their website and gives the doctor online access. However, if your records are illegible or the scan is poor or the doctor’s network has a glitch, then they might have to reschedule your appointment. You can save the day by bringing a copy of your medical record for their personal use. If you have the time, you could even organize it and tab it by specific dates and symptoms. During the exam, ask the doctor about anything that you feel should be brought up in the claim. Figure out whether they’ve already seen it in your online records or else point it out to them.

If you’ve generated (or found) more medical records since your claim was filed, then upload them to your VA .gov account and absolutely bring a paper copy for the doctor. The VA will eventually assess the documents you upload, but it might not happen in time for your C&P doctor to see them.

One of my C&P doctors (at the VA clinic) was so concerned by my description of my knee symptoms that he sent me to the X-ray lab. I literally walked up to the counter, checked in, and was sent back to the imaging table within seconds. Sure enough, the X-rays immediately confirmed the osteoarthritis(!) symptoms that I’d described. Along with older imagery on file at the VA clinic, and the diagnosis in my medical record, they’re exactly the evidence that the VA rater uses to determine the disability rating.

This video provides another overview of the VA’s C&P exam process. (Hopefully, they’ll catch that typo.  They fixed the typo.) Again, your exam could happen at a VA clinic or at a private doctor’s office.

 

Queue the DBQ for your cues

Here’s another way to make the doctor’s life easier: the Disability Benefits Questionnaire.

This extremely valuable advice comes from long-time reader Ben and was confirmed by the VSO. The VA is expanding the Disability Benefits Questionnaires as part of the fully-developed claim, and they’re available for the most common symptoms.

In technical terms, the DBQ is the doctor’s guide to the International Classification of Diseases ICD-10 medical codes for describing the precise details of the disabilities you’re claiming.  In layman’s terms, it’s a checklist of all the symptoms that can be linked to an ICD code for the VA raters to determine the degree of disability. You want to use this form to learn the doctor’s questions about your symptoms and how you’ll describe your answers. You’ll also learn a lot of interesting (scary, gross) medical vocabulary.

Before you go to your C&P exam, spend an hour reading through the form and looking up the meanings of the codes. You’ll find the vocabulary that the doctor will use as they write up their diagnosis for the VA. If you have the time, try to fill out the entire DBQ and bring it along with you. If you and the doctor are getting along, then as the exam is finishing up you could politely mention that you tried to fill out the DBQ. Ask the doctor if they’d like to refer to it as they’re writing up their results.

Keep in mind that you’re using the C&P exam and the DBQ as one more way of communicating with the system. You’re not trying to memorize the vocabulary or exaggerate your symptoms. You certainly want to avoid giving the impression that you’re a medical commando. Instead, you’re making sure that the doctor has everything they need to write up their analysis for the VA, and so that you two don’t have to repeat the exam if anything is missing.

When you’ve filled out a DBQ (to help you and the doctor have a productive conversation) then you might be tempted to upload it to your VA .gov account. More evidence must be a good thing, right? I decided not to do this because I’m not trained on the best way to fill out a DBQ. I don’t understand all of the “right” techniques and I’d hate to make a rookie mistake. Instead, I offered the DBQs to the doctors and let them decide how to include my ideas in their reports.

3000 words later I’m finally at a good stopping point, so I’ll finish this post off in a third part. If you haven’t already read the first post on filing the VA claim, then here’s that link again.

 

Related articles:
Part 1:  Why You File Your Veterans Disability Claim (Not Just How)
VA SITREP video “Three Tips for VA Disability Claims”
Part 3: What The VA Really Does With Your Disability Claim
Part 4: What Happens After Your VA Disability Claim Has Been Approved
 
 
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Why You File Your Veterans Disability Claim (Not Just How)


“Learn From My Mistakes… Without Repeating Them!”

There are roughly eighty-two gazillion websites which will tell you HOW to file your disability claim with the Veterans Administration. (I’ll link to some of them.) This post explains WHY you want to file your claim (even when you feel 0% disabled), and why you want to do it as you’re separating from the service. I’ll also explain why certain steps happen in a specific way and I’ll share a few pro tips on optimizing the process.

If you’re a spouse or family member of a veteran, I’ll also share why you are personally motivated to encourage your vet to file their VA disability claim.

(Note:  this post was originally published in 2016 and eventually consolidated with other posts on TheMilitaryWallet.  I’m re-publishing the 2016 version, updating it for the PACT Act and my eight more years of personal experience.)

 

Bottom line up front

  • When you’re leaving the service, start your VA disability claim with your separation physical. It’s much easier to do it in parallel with your physical, and it’s the best time to document any service-connected disability. (Because you’re still… in the service.) Even if you’re disgustingly healthy when you’re leaving active duty, file the claim now so that it’s on the record if a surprise pops up later.
  • If you’ve already separated yet haven’t filed a VA disability claim yet then start one now– so that your loved ones won’t ever have to do it for you. Even if the VA decides that you’re 0% disabled, you’ve done the hard work so that the claim could be upgraded later.
  • If you’ve given up on your VA disability claim, then talk to a local veteran’s organization (like a chapter of Disabled American Vets or the American Legion, even if you’re not a member) and consider getting legal assistance. You have nothing to lose.

 

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Click here for eBenefits.

It’s not just about the money. It’s about taking care of yourself now and making it easier for others to take care of you later.

 

Avoid these mistakes

In retrospect, I made a very common mistake. When I sat through the VA disability presentation at the Transition Assistance Program, I didn’t think that any of it could possibly apply to me. I didn’t feel disabled or even a little broken. I’m financially independent and I didn’t need to care about veteran’s hiring preference or disability programs.

It took me four more years after retiring to understand that I might have a service-connected issue (or two or four). If I’d consulted a Veteran Service Officer during my retirement physical (or had my medical record reviewed by the VA claims expert who was at TAP) then they would have shown me the error of my ways. The Department of Defense’s military separation physical only makes sure that you’re not sick or injured when you leave the service. They might not find your service-connected disabilities (unless you’re aware of the issue) and they’re not required to help you file a VA claim.

(2024 update:  yeah, I had issues.  It took me years to understand how my exposure to volcanic ash messed with my respiratory system and my sinuses.  The PACT Act has now made this nearly automatic for exposure to the toxic particulates of burn pits.)

I was also avoiding treatment. In some branches of the service, the medical community can stop your career in its tracks. When I was on submarines, if I’d had to take any medications stronger than a decongestant then I would have been pulled from certain duties. If I’d had knee problems then I might have been beached from sea duty and even disqualified from the submarine force. I spent so many years minimizing or even hiding my symptoms (like most guys, “I’m good!) that it was difficult to change my attitude at my retirement physical.

The “I don’t deserve this” attitude is frequently seen among veterans. By the time I retired in June 2002, wounded warriors were returning from Afghanistan to our local VA clinic. I didn’t feel as though I had any right to clog up the care pipeline with my whiny little complaints about minor Cold War injuries. Vets tend to adopt a stiff upper lip and push through the pain. Hopefully, our lessons of the decades of war will improve that situation a little.

If any of this seems to apply to you (or a loved one) then here’s an additional problem: the VA disability claims process is detailed and tedious. It’s difficult to navigate. If you’re dealing with chronic injuries or pain, let alone a traumatic brain injury or PTSD, then the VA disability claims process is downright impossible. The only practical solution is building a team to help you.

 

Why you need to file your disability claim

Ironically, it’s not about you.  It’s about your loved ones.

If you’re financially independent then it might not even be about the money.

When my father ended up in a care facility with Alzheimer’s, the very first question from the geriatric care manager (and the care facility staff, and the lawyers) was whether he was eligible for VA benefits.

Dad was drafted years before I was born. He completed the Army’s 90 days of minimum training before being given a “critical skills” waiver (electrical engineering) and sent to the inactive Reserves. We never spoke of it when I was growing up, and Dad never talked about it even after I joined the military.

Five decades later and after a few years of Alzheimer’s, all Dad could remember about his military service was a night spent guarding a tank. (He said he was cold.) It took my brother and me over a year to stumble across the box which contained his (misfiled, crumbling) DD-214, and it took several more hours to research 1950s veterans benefits.

As you might predict, Dad wasn’t eligible for veterans benefits. It would’ve been nice to have had that discussion while he had his cognition, or to find it in his estate plan, or even (heaven forbid) to find a copy of a VA disability claim file. In retrospect, it’s clear that Dad never thought he’d be eligible for any veteran’s benefits. (He was right.) I wish he’d thought to write that down somewhere.

(Note for my spouse and daughter: Check the “Emergencies” folder in my desk drawer.)

Several other readers have mentioned this memory issue. Ideally, someday you’ll also be old enough for someone to ask about your veteran’s benefits. Maybe it’ll just be story time, but maybe your caregiver is trying to find help. You’re the only person who really knows what you went through during your service, and the daily events might not be written down anywhere. (Or they’re still *ahem* classified.) If it takes 20 years for the medical community to learn (and for the VA to reluctantly acknowledge) that you might have been exposed to something during your service, then you want to have the relevant data already on hand. Try to imagine yourself decades from now (or ask a Vietnam vet) and consider how frustrating it might be for you (let alone for your family) to start the claim in your 70s.

Even if you’re financially independent, maybe it still is about the money. When you’re “only” 20% disabled then you may not receive much compensation (just a smaller income-tax bill), but decades later your condition could get worse and you could end up 100% disabled. If your situation deteriorates then you (and perhaps your family and your caregivers) will be busy enough without the additional burden of filing your VA claim. Your veteran’s benefits might pay for your treatment, and they might also help support your caregiver. If your assets are dwindling and you’re facing Medicaid, your VA benefits might even offer the financial support of “Aid and Attendance”. People will ask you (or your family) about it, and it’d be great if you had this information in a file folder.

Finally, you might be all about the money. If you become unemployable and your disability care is draining your assets, then your VA claim is lifetime disability insurance. (It could also include Social Security Disability Insurance.) If you’re “only a little bit” disabled, your rating might still earn you a waiver of the funding fee of a VA mortgage. In some states, a service-connected disability (even with a 0% rating) is worth a college scholarship to the state university.  (Check with your state’s Veterans Affairs office, or a local state university financial office.)  Sure, you might already have the GI Bill or state National Guard benefits, but now you have more choices.

Enough preaching. Learn from my family’s mistakes.

 

Starting the VA disability claim process

Don’t try this at home, kids– seek professional help before it’s too late.

Find a Veterans Service Organization and use a Veteran Service Officer. If you’re a member of a veteran’s group then start there. If (like me) you don’t have a clue preference then use the one near your local VA clinic. Other VSOs are sponsored by the American Legion, the Disabled American Veterans, MOAA, and other veteran’s groups. You don’t have to be a member of the group to use their VSO services, although they’d certainly appreciate it. Their job is to help you research, assemble, and file your claim, and they’re paid from other funds.

The VSO will show you how to navigate the VA bureaucracy. If you don’t enjoy dealing with bureaucracy then get more help now from your spouse or a friend and have them accompany you through the entire process. Submitting the claim is hard, and if you’re in pain (or dealing with a TBI or PTSD) then you’ll quickly get discouraged and give up. If you’re the spouse (or potential future caregiver) for a veteran, then help them get through the process– because someday you may end up having to upgrade their disability rating. When you help a vet through the claim then you’ll also learn more about caregiver support and benefits.

There are four components to prove in a VA disability claim, and one of them is that the service-connected condition persists after you leave the service. (Otherwise, you’re healed, right?) This means that your post-military medical records should show that you’ve regularly sought advice and treatment for whatever conditions you’re claiming.

If you’ve hidden a condition from the doctors while you were on active duty (for fear of being beached or even disqualified) then you can see the problem with documenting this treatment in your medical record. Your final year or two before separation is a great time to seek education, treatment, and possibly physical therapy. Even if you sought help from a civilian doctor (because you didn’t want the chain of command to get involved) then make that record part of your disability claim.

When you submit your claim to the VA, they want to see the treatment evidence. Make it easy for them to put the pieces together. You can provide that evidence to the VA much faster than they can pull it from DoD files. The VA might not pursue your civilian records at all.

 

Gather your records

In the case of my retiree medical records, 14 22 years created a problem. I only visit my local (civilian) clinic once every 12-18 months, and after three years they started archiving the paper in a storage facility. (Retrieval search fee: $50.) After seven years they shredded the archive records in favor of HIPAA electronic summaries. By the time I started catching up on over a decade of clinic visits, all the clinic had was a series of one-line entries on a one-page spreadsheet.

I’ve lived in the same house for over 15 24 years. If you’ve moved around since you left the service then you can imagine how much more difficult it would be to get copies of your civilian medical records.

After you leave the military, whenever you’re seeking treatment then get a copy of the records for yourself. This is a hassle. It usually means an extra visit to the clinic (after the doctor has finished writing up your record and the staff has filed it) and you’ll probably pay a copying fee ($15).

In 2013, when a friend suggested that I start my claim, all of my records were on paper. The first step was buying a scanner to create a PDF. Today you might get an electronic copy of your records during your separation/retirement physical, but you’ll still want to scan in your civilian medical records. It’s absolutely essential that you be able to print out copies for the VA and for anyone involved in your claim. The doctors who do your VA Compensation & Pension exams should have copies of your record, but bring a printout just in case. If you have family or a friend or a wounded warrior advocate accompany you to the exams, then give them a copy to read on their own. (The extra set of eyes is a big help.) If the VA loses your paperwork, or if you end up working with a lawyer, then: more copies.

 

Organize and read your records

Once you assemble your medical record, then read it!

You’ll be surprised what you’ve forgotten over the years, and you need to understand the chronology of any illness or injury. Your years of perspective might discover triggers or related events. You might need to find additional records (orders, travel claims, evaluations) that help document when it happened and where you were.

(2024 update:  After a nasty sinusitis incident, I went back through all 946 pages of my VA disability claims file.  This was essential to realizing how many times I’ve been treated for “occasional” respiratory infections– at least annually for three decades– and understanding that this is not normal.)

If you’re missing critical information, then consult with your VSO or ask a veteran’s disability forum. You might have to go through mission reports, command histories, or even access classified redacted documents that you’re not cleared to read anymore. Another approach is the “buddy statement” of people who witnessed events & symptoms, or who can attest to your presence.

If your medical record is not merely incomplete but inaccurate or just plain wrong, then figure out how to fix it. (The VSO has seen this many times– ask for their advice.) An exam by a different doctor might help reconstruct the series of events which led to your current condition. Maybe the VA can work with medical summaries from others who were there with you. If someone else was with you back when you sought medical advice, ask them to provide a buddy statement. Until you have the evidence, you’re wasting your time with the VA.

I re-read every page of my medical record and tabbed some pages with Post-It notes of injuries, dates, and questions. The VSO didn’t need that but it helped me answer his questions and the later questions from the exam doctors.

My military medical record is over 300 900 pages (2024 update) in an inch-high stack. My VSO considers that “small” and “easy”.

Once you’ve refreshed your memory, you’ll need to answer the VA’s important questions:

  • How do these injuries or symptoms affect you today?
  • What’s the impact on your life?
  • What’s your pain level?
  • What can you no longer do?
  • How do you cope?
  • How often do you seek treatment?

“Seeking treatment” could be as simple as physical therapy or talking with the doctor for education & reassurance. The VA needs to conclude from your actions (and your records) that the symptoms or the injury are still affecting your life and that you’re still treating them. If you’re on active duty and concerned about medical disqualification, then seeking treatment can be an issue. Consulting with a civilian doctor (on your own) can be expensive. In the long term, the right answer is to seek medical advice before the condition gets worse. Even if a diagnosis disrupts your active-duty career, avoiding it may affect you for the rest of your life.

I’m over 2500 words into this post and haven’t covered the details of filing the claim yet. We’ll pick up in the next post with visiting the VSO to actually file the claim, and then conclude with what the VA really does with the disability claim.

[I’d like to thank reader JDarnell (an occasional poster, and longtime friend) for pointing out over eight years ago that I should really get off my dead assets and file my VA disability claim. He helped me understand the “why” after I ignored the “how” for over a decade.]

[I’d also like to thank Crew Dog at One Sick Vet for sharing their experience and helping me understand what the doctors need to know. Hint: it’s probably not in your medical record. Or not yet anyway.]

 

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Related articles:
VA SITREP video “Three Tips for VA Disability Claims”
Part 2:  What Happens When (Not Just How) You File Your VA Disability Claim
Part 3:  What The VA Really Does With Your Disability Claim
Part 4:  What Happens After Your VA Disability Claim Has Been Approved

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“Why Do I Have To Pay Back VSI or SSB?!?”


Just when you think you’ve written about everything in military personal finance, someone asks a new question about an old topic.

If you’re still in uniform, here’s a cautionary tale. If you’re a veteran of a certain age, let’s take a stroll down Memory Lane and learn about paybacks. The dollar version of paybacks, not the karma.

Bottom line up front: when someone gives you a financial incentive to sign up for their program, make sure you ask the “What if…?” questions and understand the fine print. Consider how you’ll feel about your decision years or even decades later.

 

A Reader Writes:

My friend just retired from the Reserves. Back in the 1990s she was given $120K to leave active duty and join the Reserves. She’s now being told that she has to pay back that $120K. She’s still a few years away from her pension (at age 60) so for now they’re deducting payments from her VA disability compensation. I didn’t think the military could do that. Any ideas?

We’ve seen this before. She was paid to leave active duty, but now that she’s earned her Reserve pension the Department of Defense wants their money back. If there’s any good news here, it’s that DoD has easy repayment terms with zero interest or penalties.

 

Here’s The History:

In the 1990s after “winning” the Cold War, the U.S. military reduced our active-duty forces by over 25%. It was the largest drawdown since WWII.

Instead of simply stopping 1990s enlistments (which 10-15 years later would leave a big hole in the leadership ranks), the Department of Defense started by throttling back on new enlistments. They also paid more senior servicemembers to separate from the mid-grade ranks (at least six years of service). DoD even encouraged people to retire as early as 15 years instead of 20, for a substantial reduction in their pension calculation– but still with a full Cost Of Living Adjustment and full military benefits.

The three programs of the Temporary Early Retirement Authority, the Voluntary Separation Incentive, and the Special Separation Benefit ran from 1992-1995 for just about everyone who met the minimum requirements. Additional special situations were approved all the way up until… 9/11/2001.  Three decades later these dates are gaining new relevance, and I’ll come back to that point later.

 

Executing The U.S. Military’s 1990s Drawdown

In 1992 I had just reached 10 years of active duty and rotated to shore duty at a submarine operations staff. I had a front-row seat to the 1990s drawdown process (and its consequences). I watched these programs roll out in real time, and I applied for one of them several times.

U.S. military black boots by mud puddle symbolizing the 1990s drawdown after the Cold War. Photo digital rights bought from MilstockTribe. | MilitaryFinancialIndependence.com

A hard slog for not promoting.

The first group to be “paid” to leave was mid-grade officers (O-4s) who had failed to promote to O-5 at about 15 years of service. During the 1980s personnel shortages (a perpetual problem in the submarine officer community), most of these members had been allowed to continue on active duty “until eligible to retire”, which meant 20 years of service.

When TERA authorized retirement at 15-18 years, though, all submarine O-4s in that range who had not been selected for O-5 (and for all I know, the rest of the military’s O-4s who’d failed to promote) were notified that they were retiring in six months– and at a much smaller TERA pension. No exceptions, no waivers. Military families had made implicit long-term plans based on years of history, and that all changed overnight.

I have not heard of a successful TERA lawsuit to let someone continue to 20 years. Even worse, the six-month deadline meant that officers disappeared from shore duty months before their reliefs arrived– including a few critical members of our staff. Like every drawdown, the extra workload pain was shared among the remaining staff members.

After DoD harvested the TERA low-hanging fruit, they rolled out VSI and SSB. As the names imply, these programs were voluntary– but volunteering also came with unexpected long-term consequences.

The Voluntary Separation Incentive is a term-certain annuity:
[2.5% of annual base pay] x [years of service], paid out for twice as long as the YOS.

The Special Separation Benefit is a lump sum:
[15% of annual base pay x YOS].

Every VSI or SSB applicant had to be approved by their commanding officer. Unfortunately, at the peak of the drawdown, every command was under heavy pressure to do more with less by “rightsizing.” COs were frequently overruled and rarely succeeded in keeping anyone who wanted to separate.

The details in the VSI & SSB contracts clarified that the money was taxable income. The Defense Finance and Accounting Service withheld 20% of the amount for estimated income-tax payments, although some of that money might be refunded later when the tax return was filed.

In addition, everyone who took VSI had to affiliate with the Reserves. They didn’t have to drill or go on active duty, let alone mobilize, but if they voluntarily left the Reserves later then their VSI was terminated.

The fine print: anyone who took VSI or SSB and eventually (somehow) qualified for any sort of military pension had to pay back their VSI or SSB. We’re returning to that point in a few paragraphs, too.

In the 1990s, everyone who separated from the military was technically required to attend a transition seminar of 3-5 days. The agenda explained our military & veterans benefits along with the basics of starting a bridge career. VSI & SSB probably got one-hour presentations on the details, but explaining that fine print during a very busy transition is like trying to teach a semester of financial literacy during a combat readiness inspection. The fine print is not exactly your highest priority with everything else happening at a chaotic time in your life.

VSI & SSB quickly cleared out the marginal performers who already wanted to leave. The unintended consequence was that too many high-performance people also left to make their fortunes from the World Wide Web. (Yeah, today nobody’s surprised to read that, but in the early 1990s our senior leadership didn’t see it coming.) As our shipmates went on terminal leave, I also remember seeing a lot of new high-end vehicles peeling SSB rubber out of the parking lot. Nobody looked back.

Meanwhile, after my TERA requests were disapproved, I gutted it out to 20 and retired in 2002.

 

Decades Later:

In 2011 I started marketing my book about military financial independence. Along with the usual FI questions, I was blindsided with a ton of questions about VSI & SSB. Today I’m getting a resurgence of these queries, and that’s why you’re reading this (keyword-rich) blog post.

It turns out that some people earned VSI for so many years (and of course stayed in the Reserves too) that they’d become eligible to receive Reserve pensions. At age 60 when they happily applied to start those pensions, they discovered that retirees who’d received VSI were subject to recoupment. Even worse, they learned that DFAS would recoup the entire amount– not just the after-tax dollars they’d actually been able to invest (or spend).

By federal law, DoD claws back up to 40% of their pensions and even 40% of their VA disability compensation until the gross VSI sum is repaidYes, veterans got an interest-free loan for many years. (And paid back a sum that had been eroded by years of inflation.)  Yes, it was in the fine print.  Yes, the clawbacks are totally legal.

These retirees had paid income taxes on their VSI (if required), and many of them had made long-term assumptions about their military pensions without accounting for recoupment.  Some had also been receiving VA disability compensation (perhaps for decades) and the recoupment suddenly gored a big hole in their cash flow.

In other cases, after 9/11 a significant minority of the VSI & SSB veterans voluntarily returned to active duty. Now older and more experienced, they were challenged & fulfilled to serve that higher calling. (A few returned after losing their civilian jobs during the Internet Recession, perhaps no longer able to afford the operating expenses of a high-end vehicle.) A number of these members became eligible for active-duty pensions. Again, VSI & SSB clawbacks.

I heard from one retiree’s family while he was in the hospital recovering from more surgery on injuries received in Afghanistan. His VA disability rating was 100% Permanent & Total, but DoD was also deducting 40% of every deposit to recoup something that the retiree barely remembered doing in the 1990s– and none of their family understood. He eventually received a DoD financial-hardship approval to continue the clawback at a lower ratefor one year… before it resumed at 40%.

 

Sea story:

In the 1990s I didn’t apply for VSI or SSB because (at the time) I was totally (and unhappily) ignorant about Reserve pay & benefits. Even though I worked with several outstanding Reservists during my years of submarine service, the Reserves had a poor reputation among active-duty service members. (In retrospect, this trope was ludicrously untrue.) Senior active-duty officers (also in retrospect, at least as ignorant as me) discouraged the whole idea of “going Weekend Warrior.”

In 1996 I finally applied for TERA, and was promptly declined because I was still a few months short of 15 years. I applied twice more in 1997 (each time that TERA was offered to submariners) but was still disapproved. At the third disapproval I was informed that the submarine force had (ironically) already cut too deep at my rank– and I was discouraged from submitting further requests.

By this time my career had derailed from the typical submarine career flowchart and I served the rest of my active duty at training commands. In a final ironic twist, I failed to select for promotion to O-5 and was continued on active duty “until eligible to retire.” (I was now cynical about that phrase, and we stayed financially ready for me to abruptly retire with only six months’ warning.) After 9/11, as we mobilized the submarine force for a new war, I was quietly (and unofficially) informed that I could extend on active duty.

By then my spouse was a drilling Reservist, and despite the Internet Recession we were also still (barely) financially independent. We were very concerned that she would be mobilized and deployed, so I declined my active-duty offer and made sure that our nine-year-old daughter had at least one parent at home.

In another unintended consequence of the drawdown, new officers who joined the submarine force in 1996 had one of the Navy’s highest rates of selection to command since WWII… mainly because not many of them were selected for the community in ‘96, and by 2010 there were so few of them who elected to stay.

Even in 2024 I’m hearing the same story about submarine officers in the yeargroups of 2010-2012. The retention issues never seem to change.

 

Call To Action:

If you’ve taken VSI or SSB and you’re eligible for a military pension (active duty or Reserve), then please review those links and assess the recoupment impact on your finances. Contact me if you have questions about the process or the math.

If you’re paying back your VSI or SSB from your VA disability compensation or your military pension, take a look at the reference links in the paragraphs about clawbacks and hardship. We can’t stop the clawback, but you can at least calculate when you’ll finish the recoupment– or learn how to obtain a year of hardship relief at a lower rate.

 

 

There are no affiliate links or paid ads in this post.  Try your military base library or local public library before you pay money for these books– in any format.

 

Military Financial Independence on Amazon:

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  • Reach your own financial independence
  • Retire on your terms
  • Success stories and personal checklists
  • Royalties donated to military charities

Use this link to order from Amazon.com!

Raising Your Money-Savvy Family on Amazon:

The Military Guide cover
  • Reach your own financial independence
  • Teach your kids how to manage their money
  • Specific tactics from my adult daughter
  • Checklists and spreadsheets for your family

Use this link to order from Amazon.com!

 

Related articles:
DFAS description of TERA
DFAS explanation of VSI, including the Reserve service obligation
DFAS explanation of SSB
Don’t Gut It Out To 20
The Financial Management Regulation (DoD 7000.14-R) on hardship payback applications (this link opens a PDF)

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21.5 Years Of Financial Independence and Early Retirement


 

As we slide into 2024, after more than two decades of financial independence, I feel as if my spouse and I are reaching an inflection point.

We’ll highlight the changes. It’s all good.

 

Slow Travel 2023:  Flying Space A

During September and October we took our first military Space A flights in four years. (Because global pandemic.) The Air Force resumed Space A in early 2022, but it took us another 18 months to work our plans around the mission schedules.

We’ve flown Space A for nearly 40 years, and this benefit has improved tremendously. (Way back in the day you had to telephone every 12-24 hours for the flight schedules, show up for every roll call, and occasionally sleep overnight in the terminal.) After the pandemic it’s clear that the passenger terminals took care of sorely-needed structural & services upgrades. We’re even seeing additional touches like rental-car desks & shuttle buses.

Better yet, this time Hickam AFB let us park in the long-term lot for 46 days instead of 30.

If there’s a downside to Space A, it’s: fewer flights. The passenger terminals (especially Hickam) seem to put all of their missions on the schedules before knowing whether the crew will actually take passengers. We wasted a lot of time showing up for roll calls that were canceled just before they started.

The best news is that there are fewer flights because, for the first time in over two decades, the U.S. military is supporting far fewer combat zones. This welcome reality means there’s less need for moving personnel & consumables. The remaining flights are mostly handling hazardous cargo or classified missions, not passengers.

In early September we flew from Hickam to Yokota AB (a C-5M). In late October we flew from Yokota to SeaTac (a Patriot Express charter 767-300). Once we actually got onto a manifest, everything went well. From SeaTac we flew commercial back to Oahu.

We took plenty of photos (with captions) which you can view at my public Facebook album.  That link should let you see the album even if you don’t have a FB account.

 

“You’re Still Flying Space A?!?”

I can hear the comments now: “Nords, you guys can afford to fly international business class and U.S. first class anytime you want. Everybody in the FI community travel-hacks with rewards points. Why in the world are you flying Space A?

Yeah, I know. Another financially-independent blogger suddenly avoids spending money.  Maybe two decades with that 4% Safe Withdrawal Rate isn’t working out after all?

No worries:  that 4% SWR is working better than ever.  We’ve won the game and now we’re just running up the score while we still can.

We fly Space A for the challenge, the camaraderie, and the reduced security hassles.

I still enjoy rolling out my air mattress on the deck of a C-17 and snuggling into a sleeping bag for the flight. I like watching the crew do their jobs. Sadly, even with TSA Pre-check for first-class seats on a commercial flight from Honolulu airport, Hickam’s passenger terminal can move us faster from their parking lot onto a military flight– and military families are much easier to travel with.

We know we can abandon on the passenger terminal anytime for a commercial flight, but Space A is half of the adventure of our retiree slow travel.

 

Slow Travel 2023: Japan

Speaking of adventure: the cardinal rule of Space A is taking the first flight in the direction you want to go. That eventually turned out to be Japan but we also packed (and repacked) for Australia, New Zealand, Guam, Thailand and even… Europe. After a few days of roll-call roulette I accidentally ended up hauling my snorkel gear all over Japan.

During our active-duty 1990s we’d both been to Japan several times. I had too much time in Yokosuka with submarine upkeeps (and post-mission… repairs) while my spouse spent her share of time at meteorology conferences or teaching tactical oceanography.

Back then we also managed to get a couple days of Tokyo liberty, but it was a struggle. We were dealing with paper maps, printed instructions (with drawings of the kanji to watch for), and sky-high prices from the strong yen.

When we arrived in Japan in September 2023, we had big plans. We had plenty of liberty and lots more money, so we were not frugal. Tokyo & Kyoto, sure. What about Hiroshima? Nikko? Miyajima Island? Fukuoka?!? Hey, we could Space A to Singapore and then fly commercial to Thailand!!

Six weeks later we’d explored all over Tokyo & Kyoto, and the weather was starting to get chilly.

We fell into a very comfortable routine among military lodging, hotels, and AirBnBs. We did our best to avoid the most popular visitor sites. (Been there, done that.) We met up with Facebook friends, got great crowdsourced advice from social media, and refrained from racing around.

Our days were leisurely breakfasts, a morning or afternoon adventure, and plenty of walking. Public transportation in the cities was widely available, once we figured out the systems. Lunches & dinners were usually hole-in-the-wall diners or a small restaurant. (We even found food trucks!) Evenings were mostly relaxing around our lodgings and planning the next few events. Every 2-3 days was a down day for groceries, laundry, and local neighborhoods.

One of the highlights of the trip was exploring Kyoto’s Kamo River on e-bikes. YOLO, dude.

To our surprise, we were also able to get rooms in the U.S. military recreation centers of Tokyo Recreational Lodging (Hardy Barracks) and the New Sanno Hotel. They were crowded but my spouse persistently checked daily and scored last-minute reservations from cancellations.

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Japanese Suite at the New Sanno Hotel

We even upgraded to one of the Japanese Suites in the New Sanno.  (Check the rest of the photos in that Facebook album.)  Highly recommended.

Japan was on sale last fall due to the very strong dollar. We found a couple of nice AirBnBs and could easily have spent more time exploring local neighborhoods.

Around our third week, though, we realized that we didn’t need to add more air travel to our itinerary, let alone customs in Thailand or Singapore. Even a three-hour Shinkansen train seemed like excessive logistics. We were cleared to stay in country for up to 90 days but we felt we’d done enough.

We’ll explore the rest of Japan on a separate trip… although for 2024 we’re more interested in visiting New Zealand & Australia.

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We made it!

Before anyone asks in the comments: T-Mobile’s Magenta plan (with a military discount) gave us seamless connectivity with unlimited data, 256 Kbps bandwidth, and free texting. “It just works”, which is very convenient if a Space A flight ends up getting diverted to a different country than you planned on.

When we returned to the U.S. (at SeaTac), we used the Global Entry Mobile App to speed our clearance. We didn’t even need to use the kiosk– we filled out the app while we waited at baggage claim. We picked up our luggage, rolled past the arrivals crowds to the customs agent, showed him our phones, and headed into the airport. We spent less than a minute chatting with the agent.

All of our Facebook album’s photos have captions with more details. Contact me if you have more questions about specific attractions or logistics.

 

Slow travel with Google Maps & Google Translate

In a word: awesome.

On this trip we dove deep into Google Maps’s train, subway, and bus menus. Tokyo and Kyoto have excellent maps in the downtown train & metro stations (and even some of the bus stops), but the tourist features are harder to find in the suburbs.

The app made it absolutely seamless to navigate between locations with multiple options. We even knew which platforms to use and whether to skip the local train (using the same platform) or the limited express.

Google Translate gets better every year. Again, both Tokyo & Kyoto have plenty of English speakers (especially in popular visitor destinations) but it can be more difficult outside of the tourist districts. We had plenty of experience at bringing up the app, turning on the mic, and talking with people. I even went to an eyewear shop for a new presbyopian prescription and did the entire transaction through Translate. The clerk only knew a few words of English for eyeglasses (and I know zero words of optical Japanese) but Translate knew all the words– and it backed up the audio by displaying both English and kanji.

 

Inflection Points

During the four years since our last Space A travel, my spouse and I both entered our 60s. I’m 63 years old now, with osteoarthritis and torn ligaments in my creaky knees, but we still managed to walk 125 miles of Japan’s two largest cities. Thank goodness for Grandpa Skechers.

I’ll never get around to climbing Mt. Fuji… and I’ll have to carefully manage my scampering along the hiking trails of New Zealand & Australia. Yet I’m still pretty confident that we’ll do plenty of Great Barrier Reef diving and several surf sessions at the more popular breaks.

Image of Doug Nordman sitting on a lanai wall at White Plains Beach on Oahu, enjoying a recovery day with a cup of coffee. | MilitaryFinancialIndependence.com

Action shot of a typical recovery day.

“Slow travel” is turning into snarky humor about not just staying in local neighborhoods for weeks at a time, but also moving more slowly during our wanderings. We’ll still be out & about for most of the day, but every 2-3 days we definitely need that recovery day to just stroll the local neighborhood and catch up on housekeeping chores.

If you’re wondering how our travel budget is doing after more than two decades of financial independence: our days of flying coach are largely finished. We’ll still fly Space A for the adventure, and we can still travel hack if we care to, but for any flight over a couple of hours we’ll be at the front of the plane. A lie-flat seat on an eight-hour flight saves us an entire recovery day in our destination lodgings, too.

We’re not trying to Die With Zero, but we’re absolutely enjoying life while we still can. If we don’t fly first class, our descendants certainly will. In our case, we’ll do that with all three of our generations while we’re all still around to enjoy it together.

 

2024 Plans

Our daughter, son-in-law, and toddler granddaughter are moving back to Hawaii. He has active-duty orders to a Navy command, and this time it’s shore duty! He’s approaching his own career inflection point, and we’ve already had plenty of conversations about gutting it out to 20.

Our daughter has finished her Navy service obligation and will have her hands full with the very busy daughter who we’ve warned her about. (Karma has delivered a wicked generational backlash, but it’s all good– and we grandparents can get plenty of naps now!) She’ll also have her hands full with the usual transfer chores of shipping personal property, vehicles, unpacking, and turning a house into a home. The best part is that they’ll be right up the street from us (a 15-minute toddler walk) with plenty of quality grandparenting help on call.

Our granddaughter turns four years old in January. She’ll have another 18 months of preschool before starting kindergarten in 2025… at her mother’s old school. (Remember all those childhood threats from our teachers about our “permanent record”?) It’ll be fun to watch her grow up. She’s a little young for surfing but we’ll take it all at her pace. When she finishes high school (in the Class of ‘38) I’ll be nearly 78 years old, and I plan to enjoy the family celebrations.

Once everyone settles in, our younger adults want to get involved with managing our rental property. (Personally, “I am ready to be relieved!”) They’ve heard all of our cool stories about the glamorous landlording life, (that’s the house featured in the post) and we’re eyeballing a significant repair list during the next tenant turnover. I’m eagerly anticipating what could be my last round of rental-property plumbing, electrical, and carpentry. Our daughter already knows how to handle the rental’s deductions and the income-tax returns, too.

We’ll do another round of estate planning, but our family’s asset management is sustainable and we’re simply tinkering on the margins. The plan has held up well over the last four years, and this is a good opportunity for more family conversations about the next decade.

For those of you in the military personal-finance business, my daughter and I are attending MilMoneyCon in Denver (25-27 April).  She’s part of a panel discussion and I’ll enjoy talking with people I haven’t seen in person for a year. Andrew Cohen will return for his third year with an update on his team running SECDEF’s Financial Readiness programs, and this is our chance to speak truth to power. (He’s retired Army. He already understands the issues.) We’ll all enjoy our usual financial nerdery.

I have my Pro Pass for FinCon24 (23-26 October, Atlanta) and I’m happy to spend a few more hours at the Authors Booth. We’ll work around those dates with our plans for the southern hemisphere summer in New Zealand.

You don’t have to buy a pass for those conferences.  If you happen to be in Denver or Atlanta during those dates, let me know if you’d like to meet up in the hotel lobby.  Meeting people is the reason why I attend these events!

 

“Call To Action”…?

I’m sharing these details as one example of Life After Financial Independence. No matter where you are on your FI journey, you’ll start an entirely different journey after you reach the FI milestone.

More importantly, you have to make a plan before life imposes its plans on you.

That’s why the featured image for this phase of my life is a sunrise, not a sunset.  Shortly after the dawn in that photo, I headed out for dawn patrol.

Regular readers of this site have plenty of financial literacy and know all about managing the 4% Safe Withdrawal Rate. As you approach your FI, it’s time to absorb the wisdom in Doc G’s “Taking Stock” and that impressive engineering textbook “Designing Your Life.”  Buy those books if you want (there are no affiliate links on this site) but feel free to try them at your local public library first.

And ask me questions.

 

 

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“What If The 4% Safe Withdrawal Rate Fails?!?”


In an earlier blog post I wrote:

“In a future blog post I’ll share more ways to get comfortable with the 4% SWR.”

That’s based on a question from a member of ESIMoney’s Millionaire Money Mentor forum:

“I have to admit I don’t understand all the details, but what I walked away with was that the 4% rule wasn’t great for folks who were highly averse to the chance of running out of funds, or have a long time horizon.”

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“Nooooooooo!”

 Let’s discuss how to minimize your chances of failure with the 4% Safe Withdrawal Rate.

In some cases you’ll actually drive the (remote possibility of a) 4% SWR failure to zero, even with a time horizon of 60 years!

(For those of you who want a reminder about the details of the 4% SWR, after the end of this post I’ve included an excerpt from our book “Raising Your Money-Savvy Family for Next Generation Financial Independence.”)

 

“Is It Gambling?”

Before we dig into the math & logic, here’s an analogy for fear of financial failure:  

What if we were invited to play with our investments at a casino for at least 30 years with an 80% chance of never running out of money?  Better yet, what if the casino promised that most of the time we’d end up with as much money as we started— or that we could possibly get richer off the house?

Image of blackjack table with chips and cards, showing that the player is holding an ace and a king of hearts for a blackjack. | MilitaryFinancialIndependence.com

I’ll be over here.

Yeah, we’d all gamble. 

That’s math & logic, yet humans are driven even more strongly by the emotions of behavioral financial psychology.

 

How Do You “Feel” About the 4% SWR?

Because we’re human, we all focus on the few failures behind the 4% Safe Withdrawal Rate.  Even when we get the success rate up to 95%, we immediately shift focus to raise the success rate to 100.0000% and drive the failure rate to 0.0000%.  

That can’t be done.  The best perspective on our emotions of this behavioral financial psychology was summarized over 20 years ago by William Bernstein.

In a few more paragraphs we’ll get to better ways to simply sidestep these failure situations instead of trying to prevent them.

When people can’t trust a promise that they’ll never run out of money, their emotional default is working Just One More Year.  That’s why my earlier post quoted “If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.”

People see the default-work choice as much less scary than the flaws of the 4% SWR because they *feel* better about staying at work.  Yeah, the job might suck, but it’s a known suckiness next to the unknown risks of the 4% SWR.  

That dubious bliss (from our human illusion of control) lasts until a worker’s life is disrupted by a health crisis, a family emergency, a layoff, declining physical or mental health, or any other external event beyond their control.  

I’m 63 years old.  I’ll vouch that as life throws curveballs, they’re a lot easier to handle when you’re not working for a paycheck.  It’s far better to leave paid employment on your own financial-independence terms— before uncontrollable life events abruptly force you to leave paid employment.  

There are worse things in life to worry about than the few failures of the 4% SWR.

 

Sidestep the potential failures of the 4% SWR.

So, what do risk-averse people do when they want a guarantee, or at least want to stretch the 4% SWR past 30 years?  Here’s five different options, and none of them depend on the 4% SWR.

1.  Buy a guarantee.

Buy a Single Premium Immediate Annuity to cover your core expenses.  (Or pay extra for one of its ugly cousins like a deferred annuity or a term-certain annuity.)  For most Americans who qualify, Social Security is all the annuity guarantee we’ll ever need– and Social Security comes with a CPI inflation adjustment.  

(If anyone is going to bring up the failure modes of insurance companies or Social Security, then we can’t help you until you’re comfortable with insurance or SS.  I recognize that there’s financial and political risk with both, but the first is regulated by federal laws.  The second will be fixed by the time Social Security becomes a 2034 election issue.  Both are far less risky than a failure of the 4% SWR.)

For military veterans, even a small amount of VA disability compensation can fend off a potential failure of the 4% SWR.  You’ve already paid the price for it, so make sure you file your VA disability claim.  Unlike most annuities, VA disability compensation is adjusted for inflation, so its value will persist for the rest of your life.

2.  Sequence of returns. 

Every failure mode of the 4% SWR is tied to sequence of returns risk during the first decade.  If you can survive that SORR for the first 10 years then you’re going to have enough money for at least the next 20 years.  

One way to handle SORR is to keep two years’ expenses in cash for the first decade.  

Put 8% of your asset allocation in high-yield savings, short-term Treasuries, CDs, or even TIPS.  Replenish the cash each year when the market is up, or continue to spend it the second year when the market is down.  Using that cash stash with the 4% SWR for the first 10 years of FI will give your stock & bond investments enough time to recover from any bear markets and even from the Great Recession.  You’ll be fine for the remaining 20 years of the 30-year period.

Let’s be clear:  it may take 3-4 years for the stock market to recover its value from a recession.  However spending just two years of cash gives your equities the chance to recover from the worst part of the losses.  Even if they haven’t fully recovered their value after two years, they’ll still survive the 30 years of the 4% SWR.

You might not even need the cash stash if the sequence of returns risk doesn’t show up in the first 10 years.  That’s especially true if you have reliable income from a military pension or VA disability compensation.

At the end of your first decade of financial independence, you can compare your annual expenses to your net worth.  You started your FI by spending 4% of your net worth, and a decade later your investments have probably grown faster than inflation.  Meanwhile you’ve grown your spending at no more than inflation.

If that’s the case, then your withdrawal rate has dropped below 4%.  You now meet the conditions for never running out of money during a 30-year FI, and you still have 20 years left.

If your withdrawal rate has dropped all the way down to 3.5% then Karsten Jeske’s analysis at EarlyRetirementNow has confirmed that your investments will survive for 60 years.

3.  Investment rental properties (by landlording or by syndication).

Over the long term (>10 years) real estate appreciates at the rate of inflation.  Over the long term your rents will rise at the market rate, and that’s probably close to inflation.  

Better yet, you have the tools to find good real estate investments in every ZIP code of the nation.  You’ll buy at a discount, your rents will grow at least as fast as inflation, and your syndications will return more than inflation.

“How much real estate?” is a diversification question, and everyone has a different answer.  You’ll find your comfort zone somewhere between avoiding the failure of the 4% SWR and before accidentally building a real-estate career.

4.  Variable spending. 

This is a catch-all section for the rest of the techniques– because #1-#3 above are all some element of variable spending.

This includes tactics like Blanchett’s “retirement spending smile”, Pfau’s “safety first, floor & upside”, or Guyton & Klinger’s guardrails.  Morningstar’s Christine Benz has even more suggestions, although some of them might seem downright apocalyptic.

All of those are tactics in addition to the 4% SWR, and they’re all resistant to recessions as well as inflation.

5.  The dividend model.

When your investments grow to the point that their dividends (or for real estate, their net income) pay your expenses, then (by definition) your withdrawal rate drops to zero.  You won’t run out of money because you’re only spending the income without selling the shares or the real estate.

I don’t recommend working until you meet the dividend model.  

Instead, get close to it with assets of 25x-30x your annual spending.  Then stop working and enjoy life while you let another decade or two of compound growth (faster than inflation) boost your income for the rest of your life.  You might start out at a 4% SWR but as the dividends grow then your withdrawal rate gradually declines to zero.

Yes, this looks an awful lot like copping out to just one more year (or two).  In its defense (not much) you at least have a concrete goal instead of perpetually moving the goal posts.

 

Military Pensions

Now let’s address the part where someone says “Yeah sure, Nords, but dude:  you have a military pension!”

 I retired from active duty (and stopped working for money) in 2002 at age 41.  I planned for a 60-year time horizon, although I might only have 35 years of cognition.  With my family history of dementia, I’m very glad that I quit work (as soon as I could) to live life on my terms (for as long as I can).  The attitude of “just one more year” could have led me to far more working than living, and dementia is a horrible reason to have to quit working.

My spouse is a year younger than me, yet she has an even longer horizon.  She has Ashkenazi Methuselah genes, and her grandparents were centenarians.  Her parents are in their late 80s and still healthy… and still at their full cognition.  My spouse’s metabolism & health are so good (compared to mine) that they’re on the verge of annoying.

When we stopped working, we continued tracking our spending (at the 4% SWR)* until we were confident that we were past sequence of returns risk.  (Because of the Great Recession, that took about a decade.)  Today, after 20 years of FI, our lifestyle costs less than the 4% SWR because our assets grew faster than our spending.  

*(Yes, I started my inflation-fighting military pension in 2002.  Each year we spent all of my pension– and then spent more from our investments at the 4% SWR.)

Now we’re doing everything we want to do and we’ll never run out of money for our lifestyle. **

**(Yes, my spouse started her Reserve pension in 2022.  Today we’re spending all of it on philanthropy and gifting… because we’re confident we’ll have more than we need for our lifestyle.)  

We’re starting Social Security in 2030 when we reach our 70s.  Because the 4% SWR has worked out so well, our Social Security will be spent on still yet even more philanthropy and gifting.

 

Call To Action:

When will you reach financial independence?  Do your math at that link.

Which of these methods will you use to avoid a failure of the 4% SWR?

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In Memoriam:
(This post is in memory of my friend S. K., a military retiree who had moved into an enjoyable bridge career.  He agreed that he was afflicted with the worst case of Just One More Year syndrome that I’ve ever seen.  Every time we got together he’d tease me about being unable to hold a job, and I’d ask him when he’d finally feel that he had enough money to retire.  After a decade of this trash talk, one day he paused and said “We’ll pay off our mortgage in about six months, and I think I’ll retire after that.” 
Four months later he suddenly passed away from a cerebral hemorrhage— at work. 
His widow paid off the mortgage with his life insurance.)

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For those who want to refresh their memory on the 4% Safe Withdrawal Rate, here’s an excerpt from our book “Raising Your Money-Savvy Family for Next Generation Financial Independence”:

Appendix B: The 4% Safe Withdrawal Rate

We’re not going to talk about the details of reaching financial independence. The FI research and analysis is all over the Internet, and our Resources section can send you down that rabbit hole. 

But we will share the best tip: the 4% Safe Withdrawal Rate (SWR). 

It has two parts: 

1.  You’re financially independent when your assets reach 25 times the amount of your annual spending (4% is 1/25). This is the point where you can stop relying on paychecks. 

2.  You can start your FI life by withdrawing 4% of the value of your assets at the beginning of your first year. Every year afterward you can raise that withdrawal by the inflation rate. 

The 4% SWR computer simulations show enough statistical resilience for your investments to survive at least 30 years, although there are a few failures. Your investments may last for at least 60 years, although there’s not enough stock-market data to be statistically confident in the results. 

Humans don’t focus on the success rate. We’re optimized to obsess over the failures. 

Here are the solutions for the failures, even though a failure is unlikely. 

The 4% SWR research does not include Social Security income or other annuities (like a pension). Your investments will almost certainly make it to your minimum age for Social Security, and then that inflation-adjusted annuity will let your portfolio recover. For some Americans, Social Security may be all the longevity insurance that you’ll ever need. 

The 4% SWR research assumes that spending rises every year with inflation because it’s easier to program those computer simulations, yet humans are not SWR robots. We can use variable spending to boost our investment portfolio’s survival. 

When a recession hits, you’ll delay big spending (like a fantasy vacation or a replacement vehicle) and maybe even cut back (temporarily) on your monthly entertainment spending. You may be worried, but you won’t face deprivation.

When the economy is booming your investments will grow much faster than inflation or your spending—and that growth will rebuild your portfolio’s survivability margin for the next recession. 

Even if there’s a recession (or two) during your first decade of FI, then during the second decade your investments will probably still compound fast enough to reduce your actual withdrawal rate (your latest annual expenses divided by your latest portfolio value) to less than 4%. 

If a full-on Great Depression repeats itself, then variable spending will help your portfolio survive. (Variable spending was only necessary for a tiny part of the Great Depression.) If a new depression is even worse, then your variable spending will ease the pressure of the annual withdrawals. You don’t even need to start variable spending until after the first year or two of the economic catastrophe. You’ll see the problem coming from a long way off, and you’ll only need to cut back a little to avoid failure. 

You could even get a part-time job, and at the 4% SWR you might only need to work for 10 hours per week to earn about $10,000 per year. You might only need it for 6-12 months. Depressions have very high unemployment, but those part-time jobs are everywhere because employers can’t pay full-time salaries while (unemployed) workers want full-time jobs. 

But what if you reached FI and worked for another year or two to reduce your withdrawal rate below the 4% SWR? That seems pretty easy, right? 

This logic trap is so widespread that it has a diagnosis: the Just One More Year (JOMY) Syndrome. 

JOMY Syndrome looks great, because the 4% SWR is already good enough and a small annuity can insure that plan against failure. JOMY only piles on more assets and guarantees that you’ll die with even more money. A decade after you start your FI life, you’ll realize that you wasted a year of your life to delay that decade. Was it worth it? 

More importantly, is it worth working one more year to reduce your scarcity stress and to sleep better at night? Will you feel better despite having more work stress, spending less time with your family, and trading life energy for excess money? 

Only you can answer that behavioral economics question. The math and the 4% SWR research says that you’re wasting your time.

Starting with the 4% SWR, perhaps with a little annuity income and variable spending, your investments will last for the rest of your life. You’ll also have plenty of money to pass to the next generation. You could hand over that legacy in a lump sum, or you could spread it out a little at a time over many years. 

That’s how you can help your money-savvy family reach financial independence. 

That’s why we wrote this book.

 

 

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