Reader questions on Reserve retirement Tricare and points


I see that Reserve retirement is a popular search term on the blog again, even more popular than financial independence or military retirement. Here are the recent top three searches:

  • Navy Reserve retirement calculator
  • Air Force Reserve retirement calculator
  • Navy personnel drawdown

I thought I’d learned everything I needed to know about the subject, but two reader questions have taught me even more.

Tricare for Reservists before age 60

First, here’s one about the starting date of retiree Tricare health insurance for Reservists, regardless of when the Reserve pension actually starts:

“Greetings. I have a question from a briefing I attended about early Reservist retirement and health insurance. It would seem that while mobilizations can trigger earlier annuity payments under the new provision, they do not allow for early health insurance. The briefer (who is married to a retired Reservist) insisted that you had to be age 60 to get the cheap retiree Tricare insurance, deployments or not. Of course, you can still get the high cost Tricare Retired Reserve health insurance prior to age 60. If you can find anything to prove this briefer wrong, I’d love to see it. Thanks for what you’re doing and for the encouragement you provide the military folks.”

Congress’ 2008 National Defense Authorization Act lets a Reservist perform 90 days of qualifying duty in a fiscal year to start receiving their pension three months earlier. Today, if you’re mobilized for an entire fiscal year then your Reserve pension would start at age 59 instead of the usual age 60.

Normally a Reserve retiree’s Tricare health insurance benefits start at age 60 with the pension. So if their pension starts earlier, when does their Tricare start?

Sometimes the Congressional enabling legislation is implemented differently by the individual services. DoD may implement the policy for all the services, or an Air Force policy may be different from a Navy rule. I checked the Air Force Reserve personnel website:

“Airmen will receive all retired pay benefits (e.g., commissary, base exchange, base services, etc) except medical benefits are deferred until age 60.
ID cards will show Airmen are not entitled to medical until age 60. At age 60, they will need to go to nearest military facility to obtain another blue ID card bestowing the medical benefit.”

A Marine Corps Reservist reports from his Notice of Eligibility letter for Reserve retirement (PDF):

“I have attached my 20-year letter dated 31 July. It just says ‘it is important to note that eligibility for certain retired TRICARE options do not begin until age 60.’ Ref (b) is 10 USC 12731, which doesn’t say anything about TRICARE.”

Finally I checked with Terry Howell, Military.com columnist and author of the latest edition of The Military Advantage (the military’s best benefits reference manual):

 “That is correct. TRICARE doesn’t kick in until after the “Gray Area” has passed at age 60. Then at age 65 retirees have to go on TRICARE For Life.”

So unfortunately no matter when the pension starts, Reserve retiree Tricare health insurance benefits still start at age 60. The 2008 NDAA enabling legislation only addresses retirement pay and not medical benefits. In other words the pension check can start before age 60, but Reservists are still not eligible for Tricare until they turn age 60. Of course Reservists are still eligible for gray-area Tricare Retired Reserve health insurance until age 60, but that’s a lot more expensive than retiree Tricare.

By the way, that 2008 NDAA has a few nasty little flaws:

  • The 90-day mobilization has to be consecutive days, not two or more separate mobilizations.
  • The 90 days have to occur all in the same fiscal year for it to count toward early retirement. If 82 days are served in one fiscal year and eight days in another, then it’s two different fiscal years of less than 90 days and none of it counts.
  • Even worse, the legislation was not retroactively funded for the more than 600,000 Reserves and Guard mobilizations since 9/11. If you were mobilized eight days before the effective date of the 2008 NDAA, and your mobilization was for a period of 90 days, then only 82 of them were eligible for consideration and didn’t make the cutoff for early retirement benefits.

Congress has repeatedly considered corrective legislation to extend this benefit retroactive to 9/11, but they haven’t figured out how to fund it yet. If you meet the other conditions of the 2008 NDAA but your mobilization was before the NDAA’s effective date of 28 January 2008, then hang on to your records. You might need them someday to document your eligibility for early retirement.

Earning Reserve points while retired awaiting pay

Here’s the second Reserve retiree question:

 “Can I still earn points as a gray area “retired awaiting pay” using the distance education programs of the various military branches like the Marine Corps Institute?”

Hey, if you’re going to do the work anyway, wouldn’t it be nice to have the credit?

It sounds like a great idea. When Reserve/Guard servicemembers are approved for retirement, they regain personal control over at least a weekend a month and two weeks a year. (Usually more time than that!) They have a rare opportunity to pause for reflection, perhaps to improve their knowledge. They’re subject to full mobilization during the “gray area” portion of their retirement (before their pension payments start), so why not have some incentive to keep up their skills?

A cynic would expect the answer to be “No!”, because the military gains nothing by giving points to gray-area retirees. They’re already retired and they’re only coming back ifs Congress mobilizes them. The military’s Reserve/Guard bureaucracy would have to keep re-opening a retiree record to add more points, yet the military personnel computer networks lock the electronic files of retiree records to avoid this type of data-entry “mistake”.

DoD has no reason to let you earn a few more dollars in your pension, either. However, there are differences among the services’ Reserve and National Guard programs, and there could be some niche provision for this situation.

I started with the Navy Reserve. The BUPERS website says that their instruction is being revised, but the website of the Association of the U.S. Navy has an archive copy. Page 1-2 of BUPERSINST 1001.39F , “Administrative Procedures for Navy Reservists”, chapter 1 section 102.2.b, says:

“3. Retired Status. Members in the Retired Reserve are in a retired status. Unless recalled to Active Duty, they may not receive retirement point credit. They may not be advanced or promoted. See section 103 of this chapter; chapter 5, section 507; and chapter 10, section 1008 for further information.”

Section 103 says:

Retired Reservists may not receive retirement point credit for the performance of any duty (except while authorized to serve on Active Duty) after the effective date of their transfer to retired status.”

I consulted the Reserve/Guard servicemembers on Early-Retirement.org, who provided additional reference. The “Army Reserve Non-Regular Retirement Information Guide”, chapter 3-1 c.2.b, page 8, says:

2. Transfer to the Retired Reserve. A member in this category may participate in inactive duty training provided:

a) Such training is at no expense to the Government.
b) Members are not entitled to pay or retirement points.
c) No official record of such participation is maintained.”

If you have links to the Air Force, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard Reserve references then I’ll post them here, but the answer seems pretty clear: No points after retirement, unless you’re mobilized.

Whether you’re mobilized or not, when your Reserve/Guard pension starts it’ll be at a higher pay scale than your last paycheck.

You have two choices when you decide to act on your Notice of Eligibility for retirement. The first option is to resign from the military and have nothing further to do with the service. The (only) advantage of this choice is that you’re no longer subject to recall during a full mobilization. You’re a civilian, and you can’t be brought back to active duty. However, the military also washes its hands of you until age 60– you have no access to any military benefits. Even worse, when your pension starts at age 60 it starts at the pay scale that was in effect when you resigned from the service. It also starts at the same seniority you had then. It could have been over two decades since that pay scale was in effect, and it would be significantly eroded by inflation. You pay a heavy price for your total independence.

The other option, and the one that DoD hopes you’ll choose, is to “retire awaiting pay. You’re taking the (minimal) risk of being recalled to active duty for a full mobilization. However, you also have access to military benefits like Tricare Retired Reserve mentioned above. In addition you continue to accrue pay and seniority benefits. When your pension starts, it’ll be at the pay scale in effect during that year. (If your pension starts in 2025 then you’ll use the 2025 pay table to determine your base pay amount to use in calculating your pension.) Not only will you receive the current pay scale, but you’ll receive it at the maximum longevity for your rank. Now that the pay tables go to 40 years, everyone uses the 40-year pay tables. For your years of qualifying service, no matter how long that was, you’d use the “Over 40” pay column for your retirement rank. Right now the “Over 40” column may not make a difference– the only ranks that see pay increases after 30 years are E-9, W-5, and flag officer. If you’re in one of these ranks then congratulations! You’ve earned the pension boost. If you’re not in one of these ranks then your pension’s base pay amount is the same whether you have 30 years of service or 40.

However, the 40-year pay tables only started in 2007, so not very many servicemembers have retired under them. The reason for the change was to encourage senior active-duty ranks to stay to 40 years. It’s possible that the rules will change again before you begin receiving pay, so it’s worth keeping an eye on the military news about the latest pay changes. You’ll also be able to project your future retirement pay, which will help you determine when you’ve reached financial independence!
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Related articles:

Expanding Reserve Early Retirement (Military.com columnist Tom Philpott)
Military Reserve retirement overview
Retiring from the Reserves and National Guard
Calculating a Reserve retirement
Reserves and National Guard
Should you join the Reserves or National Guard?
Reserves and National Guard: Tricare Reserve Select and Tricare Retired Reserve health insurance

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Guest Post Wednesday: Homeless Veterans


In case you’ve been underway on a submarine missed the news, last month a NYC police officer was photographed in the act of giving a pair of boots to a barefoot homeless man.

Unfortunately, the followup reporting claims that Jeffrey Hillman is barefoot once again. Even more disturbing, it appears that he’s homeless by choice rather than by poverty.

Most unsettling of all: he’s a military veteran.

In 2009 the Veterans Administration announced its commitment to end homelessness among veterans within five years. Last month I learned more about the situation from Joshua John in Community Relations at USC’s School of Social Work. Their school includes a Military Social Work program, and here’s their latest contribution to Guest Post Wednesday.  Joshua added:

“As we honor their heroic deeds, we must also remember that veterans often face hardships when they return home. Now is a time to raise awareness of the serious issues servicemembers experience and to learn more about what’s being done to help them.
One of the major challenges facing veterans is homelessness. Of the 636,017 homeless people in the United States, 67,495 are veterans. Veterans are twice as likely to become chronically homeless as other Americans. This is due, in part, to veterans’ heightened risk of unemployment, foreclosure and poverty.”

Shedding Light on America's Homeless Veterans

Brought to you by USC’s Masters in Military Social Work Program and Social Work License Map

Reminder: This is a guest post. Please be polite, or the comments moderator will kick in.

Late-breaking update:  I received this infographic a couple of weeks ago and decided to slot it into the next available guest post date.  While I was doing that, Ryan Guina at The Military Wallet used the same infographic to post a much better summary of the challenge of helping homeless veterans.  Now that I’ve helped spotlight the problem, take a look at his solutions.  Thanks, Ryan!

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Interview: What’s Wrong With Long-term Care Insurance?


[Long post today: nearly 3000 words. Take the weekend to read it, and spend some time digging into the links. This analysis may not save your life, but it can certainly save your finances.]

A few weeks ago I received an e-mail from a representative of the nonprofit organization LIFE:

“As more and more Baby Boomers enter their retirement years, there are new financial concerns they need to consider as they plan the rest of their lives. One that’s often overlooked is long-term care. Nearly 70% of persons over 65 will require some form of long term care, and with 10,000 persons turning 65 every day over the next 19 years, this is becoming an increasingly important issue.

The reality is that the cost of long-term care continues to rise and it’s important that people have a sustainable plan in place to protect their assets and to avoid burdening their loved ones financially should they need care. And the earlier they start planning the better.”

I write about military financial independence but I’m also going through my family’s second generation of the long-term care experience. I’ve heard a lot of stories, read a lot of books, and had to learn way more than I want to know about the legal & financial issues. But why would one of the nation’s largest long-term care marketing organizations reach out to a retiree blogger who writes for “only” nine million military servicemembers and their families? Why not just appear on the “Today” show, Charlie Rose, and the Oprah Winfrey Network?

Maybe the media isn’t ready to listen yet. I’m near the trailing edge of the Boomers, and I have plenty of company– but we don’t talk about it publicly. When you gather my peers together it takes a while (and maybe a few frosty beverages) before you hear stories of their parents’ physical problems, our adult children’s struggles with an elder’s dementia, and the problems we all face with long-term care. It’s not only about our parents but about taking care of ourselves, handling the financial & logistical challenges, and wondering what burden we may someday place on our adult children.

I hope Debra Newman, Chair of the Board of Directors for the nonprofit LIFE Foundation, is doing hundreds of interviews. She has several decades of experience and she’s a frequent national speaker/writer on the industry’s issues. We all need to hear what she has to say about the long-term industry, and we need to make rational decisions about how we want to insure ourselves.

Why We Need Long-Term Care Insurance

Before I talk about the interview and dig into the finances, let me start with the big picture: we’re all gonna die. The human body appears to have a service life of about 12 decades, but there are many “material failures” along the way. First-world countries have largely figured out how to handle infant mortality, childhood diseases, and nutrition. (Implementing those solutions is a challenge for another post.) We’re starting to understand (or rediscover) safety, a healthy lifestyle, and prevention. (Whether we actually follow through is another challenge.) We haven’t extended humanity’s potential longevity, but we’ve certainly reduced the ways to cut it short.

Today, the leading causes of death past age 65 are heart disease, cancer, stroke, and respiratory disease. If you get past the top four then Alzheimer’s is next. (You could also hope for the next five of diabetes, influenza, renal failure, accidents, or infection.) If you have don’t have any genetic surprises and if you take care of yourself, then medical technology has shown that nine of those top ten causes of death may be largely avoided or treated. Even if you suffer from one of them, it’s quite possible to survive for years.

If you’re reading this blog then you have the skills and personal discipline to run this gantlet of risks. For every year that you do, Alzheimer’s becomes more likely.

I don’t have the medical answers on how this conundrum will play out for the Boomer generation. But from an actuary’s standpoint, you must have a life plan to handle these catastrophic probabilities. It’s just like fire insurance or auto insurance. Medical insurance can cover most of the costs of treating the top ten causes of death, but it doesn’t protect against the cost of caring for you when you can no longer care for yourself: especially Alzheimer’s. The only defense against that financial disaster is long-term care insurance.

“Luckily” the reality is also changing. The LIFE foundation’s statistics are scary, but they’re phrased to exploit fear and uncertainty. The author of “When The Time Comes” points out that today fewer than 5% of elders live in full-care facilities, and the nursing home population has actually declined for the last two decades. Only about 20% of our elders are using paid home-care assistance, even among the most disabled. There are way too many independent demographic & medical factors here to predict the future but it’s beginning to look as though most of us can age in our homes, perhaps aided by technology. If that’s the case then we might spend a lot less time in care facilities (which cost hundreds of dollars a day). Most of us may need long-term care someday, but most of the expenses may be manageable.

What’s Wrong with Long-Term Care Insurance?

The entire insurance industry figured out fire insurance and auto insurance long ago. We’re also grappling with medical insurance, although some of those risks may only be handled by governments. Long-term care insurance should be able to handle the financial catastrophe of full-time care. All we need to do is apply the actuarial lessons learned from the rest of the industry!

Not so fast. Long-term care insurance is a popular perennial topic on the Early-Retirement.org discussion board, and LTC problems are widely reported. Frankly, the industry has destroyed its credibility by misjudging the pricing of its products and the returns on its investments. Nobody is expecting to pay a flat rate to insure the rest of their lives, but the situation is even worse. A number of smaller insurers have failed (placing their burdens on state-administered trusts) and several larger insurers have pulled out. We don’t know how much money we’ll need to pay for our eventual long-term care, but apparently, the industry experts don’t have a clue either.

If you think that the Federal Long Term Care Insurance Program is there for us veterans, well… think again. FLTCIP v2.0 started a couple of years ago when every other insurer stopped writing new FLTCIP policies and left John Hancock holding the bag. Not only was the risk concentrated in just one insurance company, but premiums went up at least 25% across the board. This might reflect the actual costs more accurately (we’ll know in a few more years), but it certainly hasn’t inspired much confidence that the industry understands how to hedge the risks.

John Hancock is one of the world’s largest and best-funded insurance companies. Surely they can handle their financial responsibilities? Maybe, but so far their behavior doesn’t exactly inspire my trust in their leadership. I’ve written before about John Hancock’s claims process and their primitive financial technology. When the market leader uses payment processes straight out of the 1980s, and when other large firms are pulling out of the business or going under… why waste your money on LTC insurance? Self-insurance seems like the only alternative to the risks of rising premiums and bankrupt promises.

There are already plenty of resources for people to research long-term care insurance. The problem is when to purchase it and whether the policy’s inflation protection is worth the expense. By “when” I don’t just mean “at what age”– I also mean “When will the industry have a policy whose premiums and guarantees we can trust?” Insurance companies have let us down. How that can change?

I think Ms. Newman was expecting to have a 20-minute phone call about the basics. To her credit, she shifted gears and spent nearly 40 minutes discussing the industry’s credibility and their initiatives.

For starters, she said that the entire industry had completely misjudged their “lapse rates”. They’d assumed that ~5% of their customers would drop their long-term care policies every year, either from death (from other causes) or by canceling their policies. Unfortunately, the average long-term care customer (like an annuity buyer) applies an adverse selection bias. The people who buy long-term care insurance are generally wealthy enough to afford health insurance and smart enough to take care of themselves– so they live longer than the actuarial averages. Unlike the optimistic customers who buy fire and auto insurance and hope to never use it, long-term care customers buy LTC insurance because they’re pretty confident that they’re gonna need it.

Adverse selection has kicked in with a vengeance over the last decade. A 5% lapse rate each year meant that after a decade the insurance companies would be able to keep the premiums of the canceled policies and spread their expenses across fewer than two-thirds of their customers. But customers have taken care of themselves and lived longer (even with illnesses), so the actual lapse rate has been 1% per year– a decade of collected premiums has to stretch across 91% of the customers. Ms. Newman’s “good” news is that most of the policies sold over the last five years have been priced for a 1% lapse rate (which explains why they’re so much more expensive). Policies may be difficult to afford, but at least the company is more likely to be able to pay out.

Interest rates have been another problem. We’re all quite familiar with the low yields on today’s bonds and CDs, and we’re all tempted to chase yield. Insurance companies are no different, but in their case, they’re already squeezed by lapse rates and desperate for higher yields. However, we’ve already had four years of low bond yields with more to come, and insurance companies have not been able to generate their projected returns on their invested premiums.

As a result, they’ve either taken more risk with their investments, or they’ve been slowly losing more money with every drop in market interest rates. Both John Hancock and Genworth have had multiple downgrades in their regulatory ratings. Again Ms. Newman’s “good” news is that John Hancock is owned by a Manulife, a Canadian insurance company, so Hancock is required by Canadian insurance rules to maintain higher reserves and to account for their projected returns more conservatively. Hancock has still been downgraded, but hopefully, it’s not merely the last to exit the market.

My reading of years of Berkshire Hathaway annual reports also indicates that more than a few insurance companies have been victims of their own misconduct: underpricing policies to grab market share. (“We lose a little on each policy but we make it up on volume!”) Some of these companies eventually had to turn their policy guarantees over to trusts administered under state supervision. The states have been raising the funds for this by taxing the surviving insurers. This austere funding environment also implies that there won’t be much money left over for customer service, which might explain the consumer complaints. A typical example: Senior Health Insurance Co of Pennsylvania administers long-term care insurance policies originally sold by Conseco Senior Health Insurance Company and others. It’s a non-profit trust with $3 billion in reserve, but it’s also facing lawsuits over its conduct.

What You Can Do Now:

If you own a LTC policy that’s been turned over to a state trust, Ms. Newman’s advice is to stay with it and keep paying the premiums. She’s one of those customers, too– one of her personal disability insurance policies was taken over by a state agency, but 20 years later it’s still in force. Customer service may be miserable, but benefits are eventually getting paid. Stay informed on complaints and litigation, and plan ahead by giving yourself as much time as you can to do battle.

As for John Hancock’s claims payment process, her firm has 8000 people insured by them. She’s heard the complaints and she says a turnaround expert is working on the problem. I can’t see any progress from my side, but my father’s policy will (hopefully) payout for nearly two more years. I’ll keep you posted.

Ms. Newman says that she can’t predict the insurance industry 30 years into the future, but she can recommend ways to manage the risk of long-term care and its policies. Customers can make a “small mistake” or a big mistake with insurance. A “small mistake” is paying $48K of premiums and then dying without using any of the benefits– just like fire insurance or auto insurance. A “big mistake” is going without insurance and then spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on decades of care.

Another option is to hedge the worst-case risk without expecting to be covered for every expense. Buy enough insurance for 2-3 years of long-term care with a smaller inflation rider and the longest exclusion period you can find. Don’t try to cover a decade of care, and don’t try to pay for 5% annual inflation. Take preventive measures too. Develop healthy habits, be alert for an elder’s cognitive decline, and intervene early with therapy & medications. Don’t avoid the issue: start the intergenerational conversations now so that you all understand each other’s perspectives and won’t meet as much resistance when the tough decisions have to be made.

New Choices in Long-Term Care Insurance:

If you can wait before buying long-term care insurance, better policies are coming. One option is a joint LTC policy, where a married couple shares the benefits. Each would start out with a $250K limit, but if he needed more then his spouse could dip into hers (leaving her with less). The premium of one joint policy should be lower than the combined cost of two separate policies. This works out great as long as you’re the man who dies on the actuarial schedule. It’s not so great if you’re the woman who lives to be 110 years old and survives with Alzheimer’s for 20 years.

Hybrid policies are another intriguing option: annuities sold with life insurance and long-term care insurance benefits. (Scroll down to page 7 of the PDF.) The theory is that:

  1. The owner buys a single-premium immediate annuity and accepts a lower annuity payout rate (which pays for long-term care benefits if necessary) or
  2. The owner buys single-premium life insurance which also includes LTC benefits or
  3. The owner could redeem the life insurance policy (but not the annuity!) to get their premium back.

This hybrid policy costs more money than traditional LTC policies (or it offers fewer benefits for the same price) but this time the guarantee is supposed to be more credible. Ideally, the price of a hybrid policy will be lower than the cost of buying two separate policies that offer the same benefits.

What about the Federal Long-Term Care Insurance Program? Ms. Newman’s first advice is that military pensions (and federal civil-service pensions) come with reliability and survivor benefits. If you’re among the 17% of military veterans who earn a pension, then you may be able to buy a smaller long-term care insurance policy. Your immediate family may also be able to purchase their own LTC policy from the FLTCIP, which could ease your own caregiver and financial burden.

In other words: Everything should work out fine, and this time we really mean it. I sure want to see the industry pull off a turnaround, and I wish Ms. Newman success. She’s knowledgeable, experienced, and articulate, but she’s trying to help the whole industry recover from a horrible credibility gap. We military are a skeptical, cynical crowd too, although LIFE’s campaign will probably be well-received by their clients. I think that LIFE is doing a great marketing job by breaking down the situation into “old bad policies, administered by states if necessary” and “new smart policies, problems solved”. It could restore trust, but I’m not sure how long that will take– or how long the effect will last.

What I’m Doing Now:

Let me anticipate a reader question: “Hey, Nords, what are you doing for long-term care insurance?”

Firs,t let’s address the part that nobody talks about. I’m a fairly pragmatic guy, and submariners are among society’s most notorious control freaks.  I’m keenly aware of the reputed benefits of an oxycodone cocktail. However, my grandfather and my father have spent some of their happiest years in dementia (as far as they can tell), and I’m optimistic enough (for now, anyway) to think that I’ll always be curious about tomorrow’s sunrise. I’m not enthused about euthanasia, although I reserve the right to change my mind.

In the meantime, I’ve certainly been scared straight: exercise and a low-carb high-protein diet (with chocolate-flavored lapses). I haven’t drunk alcohol in nearly two years, and it’s quite possible that my drinking days are behind me. Ohana Nords is also buying three spit kits from 23andMe. My daughter and I may be stuck with my genetic heritage, but I’m certainly going to face it head-on and look for ways to literally beat it to death.

Financially? I’m only 52 years old—I’m going to wait another decade to see whether Ms. Newman’s expectations come to pass. My spouse and I are military retirees so we don’t need any more annuities, but I’m intrigued by the idea of a single-premium life insurance policy with long-term care benefits. My spouse’s pension will take care of her for the rest of her life. Between my pension and a policy on me, I hope that we’ll have my situation covered.

What are you doing for long-term care insurance?  What problems have you had with your policy or insurer?

Related articles:
Jeff Rose: How much LTC insurance do you need?
Book review: When the Time Comes
How John Hancock pays a long-term care insurance claim
Book review: The 36-Hour Day
Bob DeMarco’s Alzheimer’s Reading Room (the Web’s best Alzheimer’s resource)
Financial lessons learned from caring for an elderly parent
Geriatric financial lessons learned

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Should I Get Out of the Military, or Stick Around for Retirement?


“Should I stay or should I go?” Yeah, I know, I can still hear that Clash hit rockin’ Bancroft Hall’s passageways at the Naval Academy. It “encouraged” the plebes to think about their choice to quit or stay, but the tune became my personal retention anthem for most of my career.

A reader asks:

I was wondering whether it would be possible for you to write an article that discusses the financial challenges that a military member would face if they opted to leave the military and attempted to save enough on their own to equal a military pension. I’ve got a guy I work with who is contemplating getting out. He believes that he can get a job in DC that pays $75K-$90K/year and that he will come out ahead financially. He enjoys the military (if he didn’t, then I would drop the argument and not try to influence him) but he just thinks that he and his wife are falling behind their peers with regards to finances. I’ve explained that he can’t look at folks with expensive cars (because he isn’t seeing their huge monthly car payments) or their houses & vacations. But I fear that am not getting through to him. I think I must be missing something in my arguments.

The reader shared the retention pitch that he e-mailed to his co-worker:

[Nords note: I’ve added some editorial comments in brackets.]

I completely understand the desire to get out of the military, and I’ve never tried to fight anyone that wanted to get out since it is a personal decision that everybody has to make based on their own unique circumstances. That being said, I am a cheap spender who can’t imagine giving up the best pension on the planet. You talked about going into government service and buying back your time, and I would definitely recommend that as the second best option from a purely financial perspective. However, I personally think you would be better off (again, this is only looking at the financial side) by staying in for another 12 years (I promise, it will fly by) and then retiring with a guaranteed pension and dirt cheap medical insurance.

There are hundreds of links to check out, but many of them will bore you to death with a description of the different military retirement systems. However, you are a “High-Three” guy, and if you choose the REDUX option then I will personally hunt you down and [edit] the [edit] out of you, so ignore REDUX. Anyway, for your reading pleasure over the next couple of days, I present to you:

The present-value estimate of a military pension

Here’s some more links. Ryan Guina isn’t quite as prolific a writer as Nords… and he didn’t retire (he did 6+ years in the Air Force… FYI, one of his latest entries is about exploring the option to join the Guard) anyway, check out Military Wallet’s link for more on the pension topic.

[Nords note: Ryan has a huge head start on me, he’s a top-20 personal finance blogger, and he’s an exceptionally generous mentor!]

Even if you read nothing else… consider this quote from a Navy Times financial advice article:

“So, going back to the E-7 with 20 years of service, what is his military pension of $20,052 per year really worth? Most experts agree that to ensure your retirement funds will last a lifetime, you cannot take out more than 4 percent of your capital each year. If you wish to increase your retirement income each year to keep up with inflation, a 3 percent withdrawal from capital each year is a more reasonable figure. To replace an annual pension of $20,052 based on a 3 percent withdrawal rate, you’d need $668,400 ($20,052 divided by 0.03 equals $668,400).

What is the possibility of accumulating $668,400 over 20 years on your present salary? Even if you assume you can take out 4 percent of your nest egg each year and not use up your money in your lifetime, you’d still need a nest egg of more than $500,000, without allowing for annual increases for inflation.”

Ryan points out that some servicemembers can retire on their military pension.

Here’s another military retirement example.

Here’s yet another example: yeah, yeah, I know… neither of us is a doctor, and this guy is going to earn way more than either of us…but still, his math shows that even on an extremely high civilian salary that it is tough to save enough to equal a military pension.

And lastly, a calculator link to let you dream… spend some time plugging in numbers…then scroll to the bottom of the results page to see how much you would earn just by sitting on your couch drinking beer for the next 40 years.

Another blog I recommend (but not completely safe for work due to strong language) is Mr. Money Mustache… it is an irreverent blog about a guy who retired in his thirties by saving a crapload of money and being very frugal. I really enjoy his blog and look forward to every new post from him.

Anyway…enough of me…go and read. I’d love to hear what you decide, and I’ll obviously support whatever decision you and your spouse make…and I’ll still drink beer with you even if you become some filthy rich civilian contractor. I just want to make sure that you can afford to buy some good beer for us to drink in your old age after we are both retired.

Take care,

I have to be fair– it could be a good idea for your friend to leave active duty for the Reserves or National Guard, or for a civil-service job, or to be a complete civilian. That’s a quality of life perspective, which is a very difficult decision to quantify. It’s an intensely personal decision, too.

In retrospect, I’ve regretted clenching my jaw and gutting it out to 20 for a military retirement. It looks pretty good from this side of the finish line, but the stress (and the depressed immune system, and the respiratory infections, and the pneumonia, and the elevated blood pressure…) was tremendous.

I apparently figured out how to survive it, but I may have just been lucky. I was pretty rough on a few people along the way, but I’ve made it up to them. Today my health is the best it’s ever been but I’ll always wonder if years 11 through 20 of my career left me overdrawn on my karma account and ripped a few pages out of the back of my Book of Life.

The main reason I stayed until 20 was… ignorance. I was highly compensated to focus on my career, overwhelmed on staff duty with daily administrivia, and too busy to “waste” my time learning about alternatives. Even though I was surrounded by Reservists and civil servants and defense contractors and entrepreneurs, it never occurred to me that I could change my life. I just kept doing what I thought I was good at, and I never explored the options or ran those other numbers.

Today, I know that I could’ve resigned from active duty, joined the Reserves, taken a civil service billet, and earned more income than I did on active duty. I would have had a much smaller Reserve pension at age 60, but I would have piled up the savings to bridge the gap until that pension started. More importantly, my quality of life would have shot way up and I might even have found a family-friendly occupation that I enjoyed.

I’ll never know what I might have been able to pull together. It’s better to lay out the financial challenges of the decision, and then discuss the physical/emotional aspects. Servicemembers can make an informed choice instead of being suckered by the retention money or by the defense contractors. Your friend might see a whole new big beautiful world out there, and all we need to do is to put the tools in his hands.

But while he’s plotting his escape, it should certainly include a bachelor’s degree and at least some graduate study or professional certification. Otherwise, he’s only going to earn $45K/year and spend a few more years hauling himself up the salary ladder before he hits $75K. I get a lot of those e-mails and Linkedin posts from servicemembers too.

Please keep us posted, and let us know the decision!

Military Retention Update: “Should You Stay or Should You Go?”

A few months ago a reader asked me to help persuade another servicemember to stay on active duty to earn their righteous military retirement benefits and achieve financial independence.

I think my response surprised at least two people: I suggested that his buddy might be better off leaving the service if it made him happier, despite the possibility probability that it would make him poorer. I took some heat from a number of reader e-mails and the “Contact me” feedback, but I’d feel much worse if someone ruined their mental & physical health trying to gut it out to 20.* The retention decision is a personal one, and the best we can do is make sure their choice is an informed one.

The reader got back to me last month with an update:

He has decided to stay in the military on active duty. He is now planning to re-enlist for four more years. I appreciate your help, and the forthright opinions that you expressed in your email and the subsequent blog post. I am glad that he got a chance to hear from the other side of the argument, and I can rest easy knowing that he heard equally valid reasons for getting out.

His parting comment to me today was that he was glad that he had taken the time to read your blog (and the others) since he now has a better appreciation for the value of a military pension. He had underestimated its value in the past, and I think it is a huge benefit for someone to come to that realization at this stage in their career. Ideally, he will now be bitten by the savings/investing bug and will begin to ramp up his own efforts in those areas to supplement an already generous pension.

Therein lies my parting thought. I understand and respect the advice you gave him…but I still respectfully disagree that he (or most others in that situation) would have the financial acumen (and discipline) to save an adequate amount to compensate for the loss of a military pension.

I think that websites like Early-Retirement.org (where I’ve also followed your comments) and Bogleheads fool those of us who do invest regularly into believing that everyone else is equally committed to a long term saving/investing strategy. I think that the contributors and readers of those blogs represent a tiny percentage (unfortunately) of the U.S. population.

I’d love to believe otherwise, but everything I’ve seen firsthand tells me differently. I’m trying to spread the word in my own tiny sphere of influence… therefore, I am truly thankful that you (and your fellow personal finance bloggers) are out there encouraging others with a much greater reach than I am able to achieve. Thank you again for all your help and your great work on the blog.

I’m glad his buddy made an informed decision– one enlistment obligation at a time.

I agree that most people (let alone most servicemembers) lack the long-term commitment toward saving & investing. If they’re not hard-wired for investing then they have to push themselves to save, and the constant effort causes ego depletion with a nasty case of decision fatigue.

Eventually, however, something changes their life and helps them find the motivation & determination. It could be hitting rock-bottom on consumer debt, or finding a career they love, or having a health problem that scares them straight. It could be the crisis of a relative or a close friend. It could be as innocuous as reading a military personal finance blogger’s 350th post (*ahem*) on the subject.

“When the student is ready, the teacher will appear.”  — Buddhist proverb

The best we can do is stand by until someone has had the epiphany, and then show them how to catch up. Judging from those discussion boards, I suspect that most people don’t get tired of the “more month than money” syndrome until they’re in their late 20s… and some are perhaps in their 30s before the hemorrhaging stops. (A few are even older.) Luckily the math takes the same amount of time whether you’re 20 years old or 50.

I can also share a dirty little secret from the military retention boards that I used to sit on in the 1980s-90s. When a relatively new servicemember enters the room to discuss their career options, you can’t just play “Anchors Aweigh” on the speakers and have the re-enlistment contract laying on the table for their signature. I think most servicemembers are looking for validation of their emotional response toward their current job before they’re ready to sign up again. I’ve never met anyone who admitted to re-enlisting out of patriotism or because they were just having so darn much fun. Instead, I think we’re all looking for some sort of confirmation that we’re a valued member of the team or that we have a chance at the next promotion. And to a few of us (me included), nothing says “valued member” like a big bonus check.

Once we’ve shown someone all sides of the issue, their emotional responses are an important part of the decision– just like their logic and their family discussions. When I was sitting on those retention boards, a re-enlistment lecture (with financial admonitions on the value of a pension) was a guaranteed way to shut down the servicemember’s feedback. However, we’d get a feel for their situation by asking questions about college, family, career skills, the Reserve/Guard, civilian options– and the closer “What would it take for you to re-enlist?“. The freedom to consider the alternatives can be enough verbal jiu-jitsu to nudge a fence-sitter toward a new contract.

Speaking of feelings, I think that re-enlisting with gritted teeth and clenched jaws is a recipe for a stress-related health disaster. None of us really know our breaking point until we’ve gone past it. However, I’d suggest that pneumonia or Lisinopril are pretty good warning signs.

Your experience will affect your opinion. When you’re in uniform then it’s probably better (for both you and the servicemember) to suggest that re-enlistment is the right option. (Your XO probably has a few strong opinions on that subject too.) If you’re a wild, carefree retirement rebel not on active duty (or thinking about leaving it yourself) then maybe the conversation can cover getting out, going Reserve/Guard, or making sure that they really understand the value of the pension. Maybe it’s an illusion of choice, but people still want to feel that they have a choice. Once they’ve had the freedom to openly discuss all their options, they usually make the right choice.

Now that his buddy has four more years, I hope the re-enlistment decision includes plans for a college degree and maybe a commissioning package. If you’re still in uniform, then what about you? A commission is an intensely personal choice, but a college degree means that it’s good to have choices.

It’s a big, scary drawdown out there, and frankly these days the retention boards might not be meeting very often. However, I’ve been through the post-Cold War drawdown, and I know exactly how it feels. If you’re facing a retention decision, try to find a mentor who had to deal with a similar situation– or share your story here!

*  In the 1990s, the Army distributed a documentary on stress reduction techniques. Their Pentagon staff had experienced a rash of lieutenant colonels who reported for duty, started plugging away in a high-stress environment, and within a few months had heart attacks. Most of them survived, but the trend was alarming. If these senior officers with 15-18 years of active duty were literally killing themselves to compete for promotion, then what could the stress do to people who didn’t even want to be in uniform?

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Will you work after military retirement?


(You’re reading today’s post while I’m starting the USAA blogger conference.  Sorry, I won’t be livecasting to Facebook or Twitter every 10 minutes– I’ll be paying attention to the speakers and asking good questions!  I’ll also try to have a conference wrapup post ready to go for Monday.)

A reader asks a perennially popular and critical question:

“I was just curious if there were any retirees who while on active duty were planning on not working after they left the military. Did they stuck to that plan? Or after a year or two either the money didn’t go as far as they thought or they just got bored and wanted to go back to work?

For the last couple years I’ve been saying that between my savings and my retirement that I don’t plan on working after retirement and instead will just tinker around the house, read, and generally keep myself busy. My spouse thinks I’ll get bored and that seems to be the typical response. I’m wondering if there were others out there who thought the same and once they got there realized it wasn’t all it was cracked up to be.”

Here’s the answer that I’ve developed over the years:

This is exactly why we wrote the book. “The Military Guide” may be at your local library. You can also read the first chapter free (that link downloads the PDF). Or you can read a similar (shorter) blog post.

The bogey of “But… what will I DO all day?!?” is the #3 concern of every retiree, not just us Type A military. (The top two are inflation and healthcare– but military pensions cover those issues.) The answer to your spouse’s (very legitimate) concern is that you’ll be responsible for your own entertainment. You’ll stay out of your family’s space and create your own life with them, not just through them.

The dirty little retirement secret is that it’s actually easier to let traditional corporate employment provide your structure for you. MegaCorp offers a chain of command, an OPORDER, and a Plan of the Day. All you have to do is fill in the details of a rush-hour commute, a workplace uniform, and liberty plans.

However, without MegaCorp you’re still perfectly capable of filling in your own daily schedule. You’ll set your own goals, and at first you’ll aim higher & faster than you’d expect. You’ll think that you’re going to tinker, but you’ll get ambitious and renovate a bathroom. You think you’ll read but then you’ll end up posting about it to discussion boards and maybe starting a blog or a book. (Or, um, maybe both. I’m just sayin’.)

You could get fat, but you’ve seen enough of your friends & family drop dead prematurely so eventually you’ll get back on the fitness routine. You’ll go for a walk and end up training for a 10K. You could drink heavily or do recreational drugs, too, but eventually you’ll decide the long-term risks aren’t worth the short-term thrills. You’ve carried out a military career without going off the rails, and you won’t go off the rails just because you’ve retired. You may choose to wander for a while, but you won’t get lost.*

Socializing is another scary question that answers itself. You don’t have to wait all week for your (still working) friends to finish their chores so that they can come out and play.

You can find more friends– if you’re extroverted then you’ll get out & about and find new people to socialize with. Church, volunteer work, neighborhood walks, veteran’s groups, hobby groups, online discussion boards… it’ll happen faster than you expect.

If you’re introverted then you’ll suddenly realize that you can socialize on your terms, not for workplace expectations. There are some days when I’ve had quite enough of my fellow humans and just want to be left alone. Other days I go surfing or train taekwondo or just Facebook a shipmate to get together that weekend.

The difference is that you generally get to set the pace. You’re not going to be following your spouse & family around expecting them to provide your social interaction, either. Unless they volunteer to provide your social interaction.

Believe it or not, you will tend to overschedule and oversocialize yourself– you probably haven’t had enough practice at managing your own time in this much quantity since you were on summer vacation from elementary school. The good news is that you have plenty of time & flexibility, and you have the rest of your life to get better at it.

You’ll be exhausted at the end of the day, but at least you have the freedom to take naps when you want and maybe even sleep in. If you start a project but if you’re not feelin’ it then you can usually put it aside and do something else– because you don’t have to worry about finishing the project before liberty expires or your leave chit runs out.

I’ve been practicing retirement time management for over a decade and there are still days when I realize that I’ve just overscheduled myself out of a nap— or that I don’t want to go to a meeting after all, even though it seemed so interesting when I signed up for it.

One socially acceptable way to answer the concerns about “You’ll be so bored!” is to tell people that you’re going to take a few months off to enjoy life with family & friends, and then you’ll reassess your plans. You won’t lose your “network” or your “contacts”, and potential employers don’t care about a short break. It gives you plenty of time for introspection & self-discovery.

The retirement decision is not irrevocable. I still haven’t written a résumé, let alone networked for a bridge career. Oahu is not exactly a hotbed of employment, yet over the last decade of retirement I’ve had four serious unsolicited job offers with six-figure starting salaries.

Some came from the shipmate network, others came from my retirement network. They’ve been tempting (and ego-enhancing) but I’d have to give up some freedom and a lot of flexibility. I’m financially independent, and I value my time more than I value acquiring more money.

I enjoy the idea of work but I’m put off by the dissatisfiers of rush-hour commuting, workplace attire, department meetings, mandatory training, mandatory high-stress socializing, office politics, the boss’ self-imposed crises, deadlines… you get the idea. There are even retirement days when I don’t feel much like writing, let alone blogging, but then I throw a longboard in the car and go recharge my batteries.

The last decade of retirement has helped my spouse and me grow closer in a way that’s better than we’ve ever been. Retirement has given me the freedom to “be there” as our daughter grew up. I’ve been able to drop everything and fly 4000 miles to take care of my father– twice. Spouse and I have traveled (and we’re going to do more).

I’ve had many wonderful experiences and learned to do several new things. I’ve been able to explore projects that I never expected to bring to a conclusion (the book was on the drawing board for over eight years). I’ve acquired a lot of knowledge. I’m pretty sure that I’ve grown as a human being.

As satisfying as traditional employment could be, I’m skeptical that it affords the opportunities I’ve had during retirement. I’ve had some pretty bad experiences during retirement, too, but I suspect that they would have been even worse if I was spending 40 hours/week at the office.

Today I can’t really remember how I ever found the time to go to work.

So the answer to your retirement question is: you’ll work it out. Promise your spouse that you’ll be responsible for your own entertainment, especially if they want to get you started with their “Honey Do” list.

You could also use Ernie Zelinski’s “Get-A-Life Tree” as a starting point. (I’ve had one on my desk for over a decade, but I haven’t made the time to work on it yet…) If you enjoy that exercise then get a library copy of Ernie’s “How to Retire Happy, Wild, & Free“.

The reader got back to me a few days later:

“I just want to say hi and thanks for replying to my retirement question. Your comments hit my feelings/concerns on the head and make me feel comfortable with my current planning efforts to be financially ready to retire in five years. Thanks again!”

* That sentence was a literary allusion(!**):
All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
— J. R. R. Tolkien, “The Lord of the Rings”

(** My high-school English teacher just shed tears of shock & joy…)

 

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